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Post by whistler on Jun 23, 2005 11:31:54 GMT
The only way to traverse the vast distances of space is to possess the means of manipulating, or altering, the very structure of space itself—altering the space-time geometric matrix which, to us, provides the illusion of form and distance. The method of achieving this lies in the alteration of the frequencies controlling the matter-antimatter cycles that govern our awareness or perception of position in the space-time structure. Time itself is a geometric, just as Einstein postulated it. If time can be altered, the whole Universe is accessible to us. We are now on the threshold of exploring deep space.
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Post by bevan on Jun 23, 2005 22:47:02 GMT
... The method of achieving this lies in the alteration of the frequencies controlling the matter-antimatter cycles that govern our awareness or perception of position in the space-time structure. Thanks whistler. I hadn't realised it was that simple. Now I know what I've been doing wrong all this time... Seriously though I think I understand what you're trying to say above. Unfortunately we are limited in our expression which is perhaps why you chose such human scientific terms as frequency, anti-matter etc. Personally I believe that there's an existence out there where neither time or space exists and therefore space/time travel is a meaningless concept i.e. everything exists and doesn't exist all at once. But I have no way of explaining my understanding of that.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 24, 2005 3:43:55 GMT
Whistler
You may wish to consider wormholes.
There is one near where I live that connects to northern scotland.
And there is one in the Moray Firth that connects beyond the pralaya into the next solar system. That one collects suitable substance for the next body of incarnation of the solar logos.
My problem is that I have not figured out how to move my physical body through the wormholes.
I also don't know whether portals differ from wormholes.
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Jun 24, 2005 8:40:58 GMT
Russell They are very interesting - here we move physical matter out of one dimension, transport it, then return it to its original form. This happens with an apport. With a worm hole we have a pre determined start and finish. I have read of people in the North of England sending bread in a similar manner to some starving folk in Belgium during the war.. Just thinking about the worm holes - The one you mention about in Scotland - is it one way traffic from the Logos to earth? For the Skeptics - if there is any way for an intelligent being to travel about in space - it can never be by burning fossil Fuel, or primitive Sling Shot techniques- it has to be a totally different way. Even if the Bruce Cathie's of the world should prove incorrect, they invite us to think outside the Square ( A Problem for we Freemasons ) and maybe they are progressing in the correct direction.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 25, 2005 2:49:14 GMT
Whistler
The wormhole I know in the Moray Firth is probably one-way in the sense that it is tightly controlled for the purposes of the solar logos in his next incarnation. But it is not from the logos to here - the logos is everywhere.
It is (and several people have experienced it) for the movement of perfected matter from this second body of the solar logos into that "space" where he will build his third body of incarnation as a God of Will after the next pralaya.
But that said, I expect the system owners do have some degree of two way interaction for management purposes.
Interestingly the end in the Moray Firth is on land where some of the energetics were worked for the Atlantean colony established there long ago.
Since most of their buildings were subterranean I am not able to assert that the colony no longer functions.
Indeed they may be the immediate source of occasional renewal of genetics in the local clans.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Harmony on Jul 7, 2005 11:38:54 GMT
Indeed they may be the immediate source of occasional renewal of genetics in the local clans. Cheers Russell Russell, Is there anything in written form on this - I am personally interested as a Brodie - one of the clans which hail from the Moray Firth area.
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Post by whistler on Jul 7, 2005 20:45:46 GMT
... The method of achieving this lies in the alteration of the frequencies controlling the matter-antimatter cycles that govern our awareness or perception of position in the space-time structure. Thanks whistler. I hadn't realized it was that simple. Now I know what I've been doing wrong all this time... Seriously though I think I understand what you're trying to say above. Unfortunately we are limited in our expression which is perhaps why you chose such human scientific terms as frequency, anti-matter etc. Personally I believe that there's an existence out there where neither time or space exists and therefore space/time travel is a meaningless concept i.e. everything exists and doesn't exist all at once. But I have no way of explaining my understanding of that. Bevan, Rereading your reply got the mind ticking. I am very happy with the unseen dimension that we see and work with in Lodge and all around us - where we can find the essence of people long past away. - I am also aware of apports - all of which suggests that if one could step into and out of that dimension - Taking ones physical body along for the ride - Wonder what limits on destination there might be - Maybe the furthest star might just be a veil away.
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Post by hollandr on Jul 7, 2005 23:51:57 GMT
Whistler
If you are interested in how to shift through time, you may like to obtain the 2 video tapes : The Philadelphia Experiment and the Delta-T Generator by Al Bielek and Preston Nichols.
Al explains the principles used based on 5 dimensions. (I think that the Delta-T is maths jargon for Change of Time)
Cheers
Russell
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Post by hollandr on Jul 7, 2005 23:56:06 GMT
Harmony
>Is there anything in written form on this - I am personally interested as a Brodie - one of the clans which hail from the Moray Firth area.
No just me.
But with the provisio that I have had clan descendents test for themselves the technique of metaphysical tracking of bloodlines with consistent results.
But this topic may be better pursued privately so that veiling in allegory is not so important.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Jul 8, 2005 1:32:23 GMT
Whistler If you are interested in how to shift through time, you may like to obtain the 2 video tapes : The Philadelphia Experiment and the Delta-T Generator by Al Bielek and Preston Nichols. Al explains the principles used based on 5 dimensions. (I think that the Delta-T is maths jargon for Change of Time) Cheers Russell Principles are fine but can you do it - If one can Astral at will, why can't we take our body along with us - If we could, gravity may change the shape on big Planets - so there are some logistical problems with my desire -
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Post by paullondonuk on Jul 8, 2005 7:20:59 GMT
our reality consists of waves intersecting at points to become the particles that make up atoms... the waves oscilate at a certain frequency so it is obvious to me that the key to space or time travel is working out these frequencies and maybe manipulating them through using electro static or magnetic frequencies..
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Post by hollandr on Jul 8, 2005 7:24:40 GMT
Whistler
You may not be familiar with the Philadelphia Experiment that was intended to make a ship invisible. They did that by moving it 60deg around the time "spiral" but they ran into problems and it move to 90deg and was apparently drawn into hyperspace so that the hole in the ocean where the invisible ship sat, filled up with water.
The date August 12 - is asserted to be a resonant day for the earth each year and they hit a resonance to the Montauk project and 2 of the crew were drawn from aug 12 1943 to aug 12 1983.
Anyway the tapes are a lecture by one of the 2 who were apparently moved to 1983 and back to 1943.
He gives a nice explanation of 5 dimensional space and how to use it without giving us the wiring diagrams.
It is the only account of the Philadelphia experiment that I find satisfying.
Of course you have to allow that the matter-based physics taught in universities may not be the full extent of military knowledge. But there is plenty of evidence for that
Cheers
Russell
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Post by paullondonuk on Jul 8, 2005 7:26:37 GMT
as an extra thought....we exist in this dimension and if other dimensions exist (as i believe) then perhaps they are just vibrating or oscillating in a diffrent frequency to ours...this would explain where "ufos" come from and also explain paranormal activity... these other dimensions could be as close to us as at the end of our nose!
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Post by paullondonuk on Jul 8, 2005 7:38:41 GMT
as an extra thought....we exist in this dimension and if other dimensions exist (as i believe) then perhaps they are just vibrating or oscillating in a diffrent frequency to ours...this would explain where "ufos" come from and also explain paranormal activity... these other dimensions could be as close to us as at the end of our nose!
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Post by paullondonuk on Jul 8, 2005 7:44:39 GMT
i am very interested in the montauk/phil experiments its fascinating stuff...however the "glocke" or "kronos" experiments in ww2 by nazi scientists were equally as compelling... theres a lot of disinformation about these projects.... people like vannevar bush (mj12/raytheon manufacturing) jon von neumann, t t brown, nikola tesla were involved and something did happen that did have to be classified but doing research and lots of caffeine filles hours surfing the web you can find some very interesting stuff out
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Post by giovanni on Jul 8, 2005 8:45:25 GMT
Only once I took an extra corporal journey. I went out through the solar plexus and came back through the head. But I was told to refrain from doing it again. In effect, it's dangerous since it is possible that man does not want to return. The freedom I felt was incommensurable. In any case I did not lose consciousness of my body.
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Post by jonathan on Jul 8, 2005 11:31:56 GMT
Whistler You may not be familiar with the Philadelphia Experiment that was intended to make a ship invisible. They did that by moving it 60deg around the time "spiral" but they ran into problems and it move to 90deg and was apparently drawn into hyperspace so that the hole in the ocean where the invisible ship sat, filled up with water. Cheers Russell I love it when you quote this stuff so seriously, Russell. Do you honestly believe these explanations, or just copy them down? The Philadelphia Experiment has been so comprehensively debunked that to to even think any of it happened as the mysterious 'Carl Allen' would have it in Berlitz's books is laughable. Do you also believe the 'Eltanin antenna' is an alien artefact? There is so much glory and mystery in the physical univers that to focus on twaddle like this seems like a waste of time. Jonathan
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Post by hollandr on Jul 8, 2005 23:18:55 GMT
Jonathon
I find the pre-Renaissance approach of summarising existing authorities to form a position very attractive but not really part of Masonic science.
I seem to recall serious scientists explaining that the sun moved around the earth. Later equally serious scientists explained that life could not exist above 30 mph.
In 1899 the head of the US Patent Office declared that there was nothing left to invent.
Are scientists more intelligent now?
What of the physics that Tesla (inventor of all manner of things) claimed to have and often demonstrated? E.g. wireless remote control of robotic devices in 1893 and wireless transmission of large amounts of electricity.
After 50 years of cold war, I am not satisfied that all scientific knowledge is in the public domain. If you wish to test that proposition you might explore whether Relativistic mechanics or Newtonian mechanics is more accurate for navigation in the solar system. Which is actually used? The answer might surprise you.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by jonathan on Jul 9, 2005 0:18:09 GMT
Russell -
I don't doubt that there is plenty of research material that is not common property. I don't doubt that governments work on projects that are well hidden from public scrutiny.
But that doesn't excuse believing the 'Philadelphia Experiment' to be anything other than nonsense.
Tesla is an interesting case. Nearly all of his research is available in his copious patent applications, from 1885 to 1927. It's likely that he, and not Marconi, has a good claim on being the inventor of radio transmission. However, if you'd like to be exact about his patent for wireless control, it was #613,809, and filed in 1898.
The point is that, like Tesla's patents, there's a lot of stuff out there, and some of it is just not very good. Bad hoaxes, like the Philadelphia Experiment become so much noise that swamp decent research into genuinely odd things. It's almost like someone is doing it deliberately.
Jonathan
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Post by ruffashlar on Jul 9, 2005 2:38:57 GMT
Anyone here not read Frank Herbert's novel Dune? Right, that's nearly everyone I guess. Oh, sorry: you two nerds over by the coffee machine, have you read it? No, just seen the mini series...and bought the action figures, really? My, is that the time? Moving on swiftly... that novel introduces the fictive concept of Navigators with specially-altered bodies and substance-enhanced brains who fold space in conformity with the will. The susbstance used to make their brains perform like this is the spice melange, a priceless commodity only found on the eponymous planet: a desert hellhole, hotbed of dissent. The Guild is the organisation which controls melange and protects the Navigators' interests and, it is hinted, effectively rules even the Imperium of inhabited worlds. www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/G/Gu/Guild_Navigator.htmThe genetic manipulation used by another organisation in that novel to force the birth of its expected messianic saviour supplies piece of SF-speak which has almost entered currency. The term is kwisatz haderach, which is ultimately derived from a Rabbinical Hebrew concept meaning "the road jumped". to explain how sainted figures from Rabbinical history could apparently have been in two places on the same day, it is claimed that the road they were travelling, by the grace of the Almighty, "jumped". In other words, that they folded space to get there quickly.
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