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Post by therondunn on Nov 26, 2007 21:55:34 GMT
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 26, 2007 22:53:45 GMT
Please do your best to post facts Brother, not sensationaism. Is the Grand Orient Of The USA made up of the rolls of the UGLA? Yes, some of it is. Also included are the various Grand Orient Of France lodges that have been operating in the USA for many years. Also, Brothers from the George Washigton Union as well. The RRCG is not a part of the Grand Orient of the USA. It is an independant group. The Grand Orient of the USA IS fully recognized by the Grand Orient Of France and over 100 other Grand Lodges from all over the world as the official Masonic representative for the United States. You can say otherwise all you want but you would be incorrect. Feel free to comment on the topic as you see fit. IMHO, it is always better to comment when you actually know a little something about what you are commenting on. God Bless, Brad Cofield A Grand Orient Of The United States Free-Mason www.grandorientusa.org
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Post by negredo on Nov 26, 2007 23:17:08 GMT
Good, then you can start doing the same.
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Post by vtmason on Nov 26, 2007 23:20:32 GMT
Yeah not quite buying into it there bub. One man's press release is another's blog.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 26, 2007 23:23:24 GMT
No one is asking you to buy into anything Erroll. That is the beauty of it. You are happy with what you have and so are we. The planet is a beautiful one and there is more than one road to Damascus. God Bless, Brad Cofield www.grandorientusa.org
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 0:01:54 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Nov 27, 2007 0:25:24 GMT
Theron
Do I detect you are becoming even more tolerant of brethren who undertake independent searches for the genuine secrets?
It must be Christmas
Cheers
Russell
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 0:37:46 GMT
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Post by vtmason on Nov 27, 2007 1:16:36 GMT
No one is asking you to buy into anything Erroll. That is the beauty of it. You are happy with what you have and so are we. The planet is a beautiful one and there is more than one road to Damascus. God Bless, Brad Cofield www.grandorientusa.orgMy guess is that if it this widely publicized, there must be a little something to it.
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Post by vtmason on Nov 27, 2007 1:19:33 GMT
Interesting question Russel. In a word: No. Nothing has changed. The consider themselves masons, so they are a type of mason, as I have posted elsewhere. I do not wish them evil, I only wish they would act more like, oh, I don't know, perhaps like FREEMASONS? Honestly, I am really tired of all this strife created by a few men. I wish them well, but I really really wish they would shut up and get on with whatever it is they intend to do. Claiming they are better, more fit, the future, truer yadda yadda yadda gets old, real fast... especially when the press doesn't match the reality. I am a freemason. I don't need to tell other brothers that my freemasonry is better, or the future of freemasonry, or truer or whatever. All I need to do is LIVE freemasonry. The rest will follow. Think... DO. The rest will stand on its own, or not. Of course they are Freemasons, but true to a different set of standards. That is true for every Mason on ths board
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 1:45:18 GMT
Interesting question Russel. In a word: No. Nothing has changed. The consider themselves masons, so they are a type of mason, as I have posted elsewhere. I do not wish them evil, I only wish they would act more like, oh, I don't know, perhaps like FREEMASONS? Honestly, I am really tired of all this strife created by a few men. I wish them well, but I really really wish they would shut up and get on with whatever it is they intend to do. Claiming they are better, more fit, the future, truer yadda yadda yadda gets old, real fast... especially when the press doesn't match the reality. I am a freemason. I don't need to tell other brothers that my freemasonry is better, or the future of freemasonry, or truer or whatever. All I need to do is LIVE freemasonry. The rest will follow. Think... DO. The rest will stand on its own, or not. Theron, No one on this board is saying any such thing. If you don't want to let us in on your reindeer games than fine. Want to call us fake masons,,OK. I just wanted to make some clarifications on the LRUS forum, I did that, got attacked and got wacked. Bravo, good for you guys. The dialog is pointless because no one on the other side really wants to have one. At this point, let's just cut the cord and move on. Somewhere out there tonight someone is probably going to loose thier life in a nasty war. Someone is hungry, someone lost thier mother or son. Enough with all fo this B.S. that at the end of the day does not matter. The Grand Orient Of The USA (too me) matters. Freemasonry, is beutiful and pure. I like the path I have chosen. I like you Theron. You can disagree with me all you want, you can dislike the GOdF and the GOtUS, you can downright hate it but just think of how much time that wastes. Now let's get down to making this world a better place. G.A.O.T.U. Bless, Brad www.grandorientusa.org
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 6:02:22 GMT
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 6:51:17 GMT
Interesting question Russel. In a word: No. Nothing has changed. The consider themselves masons, so they are a type of mason, as I have posted elsewhere. I do not wish them evil, I only wish they would act more like, oh, I don't know, perhaps like FREEMASONS? Honestly, I am really tired of all this strife created by a few men. I wish them well, but I really really wish they would shut up and get on with whatever it is they intend to do. Claiming they are better, more fit, the future, truer yadda yadda yadda gets old, real fast... especially when the press doesn't match the reality. I am a freemason. I don't need to tell other brothers that my freemasonry is better, or the future of freemasonry, or truer or whatever. All I need to do is LIVE freemasonry. The rest will follow. Think... DO. The rest will stand on its own, or not. Theron, No one on this board is saying any such thing. If you don't want to let us in on your reindeer games than fine. Want to call us fake masons,,OK. I just wanted to make some clarifications on the LRUS forum, I did that, got attacked and got wacked. Bravo, good for you guys. The dialog is pointless because no one on the other side really wants to have one. At this point, let's just cut the cord and move on. Somewhere out there tonight someone is probably going to loose thier life in a nasty war. Someone is hungry, someone lost thier mother or son. Enough with all fo this B.S. that at the end of the day does not matter. The Grand Orient Of The USA (too me) matters. Freemasonry, is beutiful and pure. I like the path I have chosen. I like you Theron. You can disagree with me all you want, you can dislike the GOdF and the GOtUS, you can downright hate it but just think of how much time that wastes. Now let's get down to making this world a better place. G.A.O.T.U. Bless, Brad www.grandorientusa.org Theron, no one is trying to "convert" you. No one is producing an infomercial for Grand Orient Masonry. Are we happy, excited, enthusiatic and proud? Oh yeah, this has been a long time coming. For your own sake you should put beside you the problems you may percieve with Brother Peace and UGLA Bretheren. Because the Grand Orient of the USA is not just about one or a select handful of Brothers. Every Brother is important, but none are sole catalyst. The part that either has not been made clear to you or you have not seen is that 95% of the GO of the USA you have never heard from. They are Brothers who have been doing work, building lodges, fellowship and advancing worldwide Brotherhood for a very long time. Do you see them picketing MS lodges? Of course not. In the end all we want is the respect that should be given to any group of men under the canopy of heaven. We are not asking you to change, your system to change, your network of friends to change in any way. WE are not even asking you the courtesy of recognizing that we share the same background. Just acknowledge that we breathe the same air, share the same planet and perhaps we have it in us (just as you) to leave the world a better place than we found it. So Mote It Be, Brad www.grandorientusa.org
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 27, 2007 11:10:26 GMT
"Of course they are Freemasons, but true to a different set of standards. That is true for every Mason on this board"
Very well put Bro VT. Each of us who post to MFOL if Initiated are Freemasons. Even those who are members of the same GL, GO or Obedience will interpret the principles and tenets in their own manner and often have a different approach and be interested in aspects which may not appeal to other members, even of the same Lodge never mind the same body.
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 14:12:07 GMT
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 17:23:23 GMT
Not supporting and consistantly screaming in opposition are in my mind, two different things.
Relax , take a breath. It's a beautiful day.
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 17:35:58 GMT
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Post by tws on Nov 27, 2007 18:57:13 GMT
I see a reluctance to post anything of substance apart from the statement that you are all better Masons than those who adhere to thier traditions and obligations. Where is the meat of your argument? I want to see the plan! How are you fellows going to improve Freemasonry? Statements about harmony are well and good, where's the substance?
If those of us in mainstream Masonry are to abandon our traditions and violate our obligation to run off and join up, how are we to benifit? What is the offer? Do you guys actually have a charter from the Grand Orient? Do you intend to actually stick with your present course of action, or are you going to run to the next new thing that appears over the horizon, leaving a series of partially finished spiritual temples in your wake?
In order to establish a viable tradition, you must have a concise and established vision of what that tradition is. You have to be able to construct a group egregore. The Astral Temple is as important as the physical Temple. When you are working from a chaotic, fluxuating situation, then your spiritual temple will reflect that. As above, so below.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 27, 2007 19:58:30 GMT
I see a reluctance to post anything of substance apart from the statement that you are all better Masons than those who adhere to thier traditions and obligations. Where is the meat of your argument? I want to see the plan! How are you fellows going to improve Freemasonry? Statements about harmony are well and good, where's the substance? If those of us in mainstream Masonry are to abandon our traditions and violate our obligation to run off and join up, how are we to benifit? What is the offer? Do you guys actually have a charter from the Grand Orient? Do you intend to actually stick with your present course of action, or are you going to run to the next new thing that appears over the horizon, leaving a series of partially finished spiritual temples in your wake? In order to establish a viable tradition, you must have a concise and established vision of what that tradition is. You have to be able to construct a group egregore. The Astral Temple is as important as the physical Temple. When you are working from a chaotic, fluxuating situation, then your spiritual temple will reflect that. As above, so below. How many time do I have to say the same things before you guys get it? We never say we are "better" Masons. Those words do not come from us, that is your own insecurity showing through. We adhere to our traditions and obligations, the same traditions and obligations as those taken by other Grand Orient Masons throughout time. Brothers Franklin, Lafeyette, Jones and Voltaire to name a few. You can say what you want, but you cannot deny Grand Orient pedigree. We are not asking anyone to do anything. It is none of our business what you choose to do, what you choose to believe , how you choose to act or think. Good for you, we wish you the best. We do have a concise view of our tradition. We follow that to a T. We strive for the advancement of universal brotherhood. That is the task before us. God Bless, Brad www.grandorientusa.org
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Post by therondunn on Nov 27, 2007 21:43:57 GMT
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