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Post by whistler on May 24, 2010 4:59:44 GMT
In the endless discussion regarding Light, I have often wondered " If I travel in a spaceship 2KPH faster than the speed of light what would I see in my Rear Vision Mirror. If I took off in my spaceship and locked the steering onto a star whose light still shone but the star had vanished light years ago - As I traveled towards that star - would it suddenly vanish from my sight, or would it be like watching a movie and would I see the moment of explosion. Is the image of light that travels a series of snapshots.
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Post by Augur on May 24, 2010 5:11:50 GMT
In the endless discussion regarding Light, I have often wondered " If I travel in a spaceship 2KPH faster than the speed of light what would I see in my Rear Vision Mirror. If I took off in my spaceship and locked the steering onto a star whose light still shone but the star had vanished light years ago - As I traveled towards that star - would it suddenly vanish from my sight, or would it be like watching a movie and would I see the moment of explosion. Is the image of light that travels a series of snapshots. Reminds me of a great Stephen Wright routine where he's in an office and tuning out during a boring job interview and asks: Stephen: "If it was night and I was driving a car going at the speed of light, and I turned my headlights on - would it make any difference?" Interviewer: "Uh, I don't know...?" Stephen: "I don't want to work for you."
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Post by KNOs1s on May 26, 2010 3:21:17 GMT
What kind of car was he driving at the speed of light?
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 24, 2010 16:12:35 GMT
The thing to understand about light and darkness from a Masonic perspective is that we do not speak of the things themselves but in entirely symbolical terms. It may seem to you that this is insultingly obvious, but from experience I find it's always worth pointing out the insultingly obvious, because it's often the thing that no-one has actually considered.
In that Masonic symbolic system, light means knowledge, and darkness ignorance. Whereas in much common Christian symbolism, light means the power of good (and of God), while darkness signifies evil as a positive (i.e., a real, directed) force. A lot of the stinking nonsense of which Freemasons are accused by so-called Christians is entirely to do with just that level of misunderstanding.
Similarly, when light is accorded masculine status, and darkness is identified with everything female and hence negative, it must be understood that this relates to an old-fashioned Classical model of binary opposites, where every quality was paired with its complement in an unconsciously sexist, racist and supremacist manner. These correspondences are not absolute, they were drawn up by Man (and usually by men, into the bargain) and it is up to us to re-formulate correspondences to suit our altered mindset and worldview. Opposites, where we tolerate them to exist, may pair up according to any scheme that suits our cultural outlook; for there is nothing objective or self-evident in the conceptual reality of the intellect.
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Post by KNOs1s on Jun 24, 2010 16:43:11 GMT
Can't play chess without differently-colored pieces. It just wouldn't be the same. ;D
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Post by eternalife on Aug 11, 2010 2:53:16 GMT
Well have you seen a the light and darkness balance on a rainy day? You can't see the sun or feel its heat but its still bright enough to tell its day time, if you don't look up it would actually appear gray. The proper balance of light and dark is a rainy day. Beautiful!
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Post by KNOs1s on Aug 11, 2010 5:54:57 GMT
Still not very convenient for playing chess, though. The perception of light is limited by the mechanisms built into animals living on this planet. The perceptive abilities can be changed in many ways. Our clouded perceptions do nothing to alter the facts of light and how it acts in a physical space. If we start believing that our vision gives a true perception of what light is, and consequently its absence, we are really looking through rose-colored glasses. Certainly, a cloudy day is beautiful. Some would argue that a sunny day is beautiful, and I would not disagree. Some would say night 'is also great, and would suffice', and that is nice. ;D
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Post by sammy on Aug 16, 2010 17:20:37 GMT
I think they work in unison, the darkness shows where light is needed and light fills in the darkness. This would also coincide with prophesies that it will one day be "destroyed" but I think just gone would work too. This would kind of be the same mind frame as something doesnt exist unless its being percieved, but more like unseen untill its seen.
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Post by KNOs1s on Aug 16, 2010 17:30:31 GMT
I agree that they work in unison, though the darkness simply does not exist. Light is substantial, darkness is simply its absence. Masonically, Darkness is Ignorance and is the absence of Light and Knowledge.
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Post by eternalife on Aug 16, 2010 23:35:47 GMT
The light won't be destroyed it merely serves a new purpose, and the darkness exists, how can somthing that can be identified not exist? The light can and has been manipulated and abused beyond common sense. The cliche line "how could god allow this to happen" is not necessary in this plot line.
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Post by sammy on Aug 17, 2010 13:31:47 GMT
The light won't be destroyed it merely serves a new purpose, and the darkness exists, how can somthing that can be identified not exist? The light can and has been manipulated and abused beyond common sense. The cliche line "how could god allow this to happen" is not necessary in this plot line. Were saying the darkness only exists as a unknown and once a light is shown on it, it has devoloped to its fullest potential rather then being overlooked/unknown.
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Post by sammy on Aug 17, 2010 13:37:09 GMT
I agree that they work in unison, though the darkness simply does not exist. Light is substantial, darkness is simply its absence. Masonically, Darkness is Ignorance and is the absence of Light and Knowledge. Thats what I mean but we see it as something unchangable probably because if its emensity in ourselves. Technicaly nothing is "darkness" since it has a finished purpose, its just mass with no light to reflect. So where as its true something can be black, its also true that its only black due to the absorbing/reflecting of light involved.
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Post by KNOs1s on Aug 17, 2010 15:03:06 GMT
I believe you and I are quite in agreement on this matter, Sammy. The problem with the term 'darkness' is it has too many subjective applications. Certainly by the logic that it exists simply because it is defined in language is not quite enough for any scientist worth his salt. We could as well assume Smurfs exist by nature of the word's existence. We cannot see sound, but we can feel its effects with our ears and our senses. We cannot do these things with darkness. We can feel cold, but we can feel cold in the Light. We can see the effects of cold in the Light, which we cannot do in Darkness. Cold is not directly caused by Darkness. It is caused by the absence of energy. If you could plug a lamp into a wall of darkness that would be pretty cool. If only objectivity didn't have to be so darn subjective! ;D
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Post by sammy on Aug 17, 2010 15:57:44 GMT
I believe you and I are quite in agreement on this matter, Sammy. The problem with the term 'darkness' is it has too many subjective applications. Certainly by the logic that it exists simply because it is defined in language is not quite enough for any scientist worth his salt. We could as well assume Smurfs exist by nature of the word's existence. We cannot see sound, but we can feel its effects with our ears and our senses. We cannot do these things with darkness. We can feel cold, but we can feel cold in the Light. We can see the effects of cold in the Light, which we cannot do in Darkness. Cold is not directly caused by Darkness. It is caused by the absence of energy. If you could plug a lamp into a wall of darkness that would be pretty cool. If only objectivity didn't have to be so darn subjective! ;D HAHAHA I hear ya!
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Post by asiinja on Nov 7, 2010 10:40:47 GMT
My opinion on ligh and darkness is very close to that of yin and yang so yes darkness is just an absence of light then. In my opinion there cannot be happyness if you have never felt sadness, but who am I to judge over the word happiness as such a simple matter ofcource.
As in the scientifical way darkness is nothing and it is exactly the absence of darness. This being light particles (fotons) do not lighten up in spaces without oxigen as they do in earth so the solar systems are mainly filled with darkness where certain object shape light.
When you talk about light and dark as in the ways of good an bad then I think you will come to the point where many vieuws of people are influenced by religious points of vieuw.
But I search for darkness to be able to apreciate light even more.
Hope I was of any help.
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Post by Leo on Nov 7, 2010 11:08:02 GMT
Very helpful. Thanks.
Duality exist for a reason; to appreciate one over the other we need to know both.
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Post by asiinja on Nov 7, 2010 11:12:11 GMT
Very helpful. Thanks. Duality exist for a reason; to appreciate one over the other we need to know both. I am of the same opinion, thanks for concluding it so short but powerfull.
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Post by Leo on Nov 7, 2010 11:16:43 GMT
Very helpful. Thanks. Duality exist for a reason; to appreciate one over the other we need to know both. I am of the same opinion, thanks for concluding it so short but powerfull. You are welcome. Thank you.
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Post by vajranagini on Nov 8, 2010 3:11:26 GMT
So where does "dark matter" fit into all of this?
The fact is, duality must be in order for existence to exist. Without "opposites" there can be no individual existence. Light is not necessarily benign ("Let the light devour men and eat them up with blindness!") and darkness is not necessarily synonymous with evil; you can't see anything with a light shining in your eyes any more than you can in total blackness! On the Sufi Path, "Black" is equated with WISDOM, and "Osiris (the Lord of Righteousness) is a BLACK God"!.
The MIDDLE PATH is what is advocated; notice the nearly equal number of BLACK and WHITE squares at the heart of the Masonic Temple! (Isn't there one more White square than the Black? Or are they equal in number? I've always wanted to know that!)
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Post by sammy on Nov 8, 2010 15:53:00 GMT
Very helpful. Thanks. Duality exist for a reason; to appreciate one over the other we need to know both. I believe this nail was a square hit. Im horrible at reducing thoughts into simple terms, if you havnt noticed HAHA.
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