O.T.Observations Mar 31, 2011 1:46:55 GMT
Post by vajranagini on Mar 31, 2011 1:46:55 GMT
Feb 13, 2011 14:49:35 GMT @themaddervish said:
O.T.O. knows NOTHING about Sufism. I was in William Blake Oasis for 3 years and I have been a member of 3 different Sufi Orders. I am both a practicing Muslim and a Freemason. You can talk and talk about Sufism as a Thelemite but in the end, your people are still having orgies at their get togethers (see? I know...), getting high on all kinds of drugs, having their relationships collapsing left and right...you have no self - mastery.
Well, I CAN say that the OTO Lodge I belonged to didn't have orgies (at least none that I was invited to) but the Lodgemaster was charged with molesting minors, and the Treasurer couldn't be trusted around money and was a full-time drug dealer; the last Equinox Rite I attended was held in a S& M dungeon; does any of this qualify according to your standards? ;D
But...the fact is, that while the OUTER form of the Lodge was in a disgraceful state, it was and is a FACT that I was initially "directed" to join OTO by the Angelic Powers, (otherwise I would NEVER have done so) AND I did discover as a result of my joining that I had in fact long been part of the "93 Current"...at least 10 years previous to my joining OTO..If I had not joined, I would never have found any of this out!
When I inquired as to WHY I needed to join this dubious organization, I was told it was "because in order to make the progress I wanted to make, I needed to receive a Masonic-type ritual initiation in this lifetime to be able to access certain levels of knowledge and awareness that were otherwise closed off to me". It was left up to me to decide how much or how little I wanted to "participate" in the outer forms; the Initiations were the thing that was necessary.
True: the OTO is a 'dirty Path", but, as I discovered, it is a Path none the less! The great Sufi Master Ramakrishna forbade his disciples to criticize the Left-Hand Paths, saying that since people had actually 'achieved" by these means, they too had legitimacy. BUT they were best avoided by most people.
What use is it if you talk to jinn? So what? You "summoned" something and established communication. So what??? Obviously you don't read properly. I said that I SAW a fire Elemental peering at me out of a candle flame; I never SPOKE to it. Plus, it was a very refreshing experience to actually SEE something like that: it helps remind one that these things REALLY DO exist and are not just theoretical. Would it make you feel better if I told you I have also had conversations with the Archangel Michael and Uriel? In fact it was THEY who advised me to join OTO!
What good does sit do most Thelemites in life? It's just another addiction to the ego. And in the end, I have seen the results in O.T.O. Please...don't even begin to speak of Mansur 'Ibn al Hallaj and his experience in fana. What do you know about that? I know enough...what if I said that it was finding out about Mansur El Hallaj at the heart of the OTO Third degree that fully "legitimized" the whole experience for me?
It was his own Sufi Shaykh who gave the order of execution! Did you know that? Thank you for telling me that. I have always wondered: who "started the ball rolling?"
And why? Because he breathed the Secret! This is why the pool of his blood formed the 100th name of the Beloved, "ALLAH." on the floor, in Arabic.
That brings tears to my eyes, to read that! That was why Socrates had to die, as well.
There is a hint of this in Crowley's "There is no God but MAN," but Crowley's inner understanding is flawed. You got THAT right. That was why I ultimately had to LEAVE the OTO
The droplet is not the Ocean. Once divided from the source it acquires completely different qualities and even in REMEMBRANCE (Dhikr, the meditation of Sufism actually means "Remembrance" and this is why...) of ALLAH one only catches a glimpse of what came before the Covenant of "Alastu bi Rabbikun." Even in fana, this is only a glimpse and one not to be divulged to the profane for reasons such as this: that you get people with lofty goals driven by their egos to understand with their little, limited minds what can only be grasped by spirit. Exactly right.
Crowley imagined that O.T.O. would someday be a HUGE, worldwide Masonic institution. O.T.O. is the laughing stock of Masonry. It will NEVER be accepted as a part of CLIPSAS. Even the most open minded Masons of Memphis Misraim find it an embarassment. I have no trouble believing that. How can any Order whose philosophy excludes and degrades half the human race be "universal"?
And the ones who do not have either never been in O.T.O. to know all about their stupid sex and drug orgies or cover them up as a "part of the path of the seeker." And THAT is a load of horse crap, finely served on the plate of the Thelemite; gobbled up as he or she proudly asks for more. Well, don't forget: "OTO" stands for "Occidental Tantric Order or "Ordo Templi Orientis; i.e. the Order of the Eastern Temple, implying the practice of "orgiastic rites". Shri Ramakrishna was in fact initiated through "left hand practices"...the difference is, is that HE MADE IT THROUGH. He was exposed to appalling practices and stark temptations and none of any of this diverted him from the Path
Ramakrishna had great regard and respect for women; Crowley abused, disrespected and mistreated them.Therein lies the difference.