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Post by a on Sept 2, 2006 11:12:33 GMT
Do you think that he will be announced on the 13th at QC?
If he is reading this then I hope that he is able/willing to:-
1. Help Lord Northampton find what he admitted was lost from Anglo Saxon Freemasonry in his Cornerstone speech, and reincorporate it, for the benefit of all its members. The answers are hidden in plain sight.
2. Work towards closing the gaps that appear to be developing between some of the UGLE amity frats. eg the seemingly differing views of what Freemasonry is about that appear to be growing and/or becoming more visibly public.
3. Work towards having all True Freemasons in amity, putting the substance before the form so to speak. The greater good being more important than historic power struggles. Though I accept that this is a two way process, though UGLE is perhaps in a unique position to lead.
4. Working to ensure that those members who are bullied, or who find that itch in their heart, follow it, join, and then become disillusioned at the lack of support, understanding, guidance relating to inner work, can more easily find what they seek within the ugle system, instead of being effectively forced out.
5. Working to rebuild the trust and respect of Freemasonry in the eyes of the wider world.
If he isn't then so be it. Just my opinions. These things are achievable, if there is the will and desire to take UGLE forward.
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Post by ruffashlar on Sept 3, 2006 1:24:37 GMT
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. Hell no!
5. Certainly not.
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Post by JulesTheBit on Sept 3, 2006 9:18:35 GMT
No, I don't think a replacement will be announced at next Quarterly Comms. It's far too soon. Last time around the job was advertised. I've heard no news of any adverts so far, which might imply that UGLE have not even started the recruitment process yet.
I hope the new GSec has a comprehensive job description. That might take a while to produce. I've no idea what it might consist of. I also hope that UGLE are successful in finding and appointing someone who's very good at carrying out the role once its agreed.
S&F, Julian
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Post by mike on Sept 3, 2006 9:31:00 GMT
I hope the new GSec has a comprehensive job description. That might take a while to produce. I've no idea what it might consist of. I also hope that UGLE are successful in finding and appointing someone who's very good at carrying out the role once its agreed. My thoughts exactly M
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 3, 2006 11:12:30 GMT
It should be remembered that the Gen Sec, has not been sacked he just has not been re appointed yet.
It is possible of course that he will be cleared of any misconduct.
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Post by taylorsman on Sept 3, 2006 19:02:23 GMT
Jules, I would agree up to a point in that they ought NOT to rush such an important appointment, so I don't expect them to make any announcment at the next Meeting of GL. That having been said it would be helpful to know who is filling in until a sucessor is appointed in his stead.
Like Stewart Edwards I hope they appoint someone who is dynamic and can work with Lord Northampton to make the changes required in UGLE Craft but I won't be holding my breath!
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Post by JulesTheBit on Sept 3, 2006 19:12:57 GMT
Steve
GL certs are being signed by the AsstGSec and others are filling parts of the job. There must be reasons why no public announcements are being made.
S&F, Julian
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Post by lewfinnis on Sept 5, 2006 13:05:04 GMT
Almost certainly the relevant legal processes are under way and discussion or information from UGLE would be sub-judice. Disciplinary appeals and Unfair Dismissal cases can take some time - especially as UGLE wouldn't really want to go to court!
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Post by taylorsman on Sept 5, 2006 14:59:35 GMT
Lew, would it have gone to that? I would have thought that a "compromise agreement" would have been on the cards given the nature of the matter.You know the drill, "give me enough money to stop my mouth with gold and a good reference and I will waive my legal rights to take the matter to an Industrial tribunal" It happens all the time when companies want rid of Execs, Directors etc.
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Post by a on Sept 5, 2006 15:29:08 GMT
Steve
Could it be as simple as that though, given that it was not only reported in the press but there was at one time a statement on UGLEs website (now removed) about the dismissal?
The UGLE Grand Secretary does not just hold a job. He holds a position where through his influence the health of UGLE, and to a degree Freemasonry as a whole, is affected. Which is why it is terribly important that UGLE appoints someone who is able to feel the light and who is able to illuminate the way, and help guide its members in a very real sense, not to mention inspiring other fraternities. Though it would be easier to appoint a safe man who would keep the comfort zones intact.
What is for sure it will be a brave man who accepts the position, given the unique point that UGLE is currently at in its own development.
Steve you may recall me telling you at RHM that UGLE needed something big this year. This is it. There is little time for anything else. It will be interesting to see whether UGLE can find the inner courage to recognise the moment and act or whether it will decide that it is not ready. I hope for the former, but sympathise if it chooses the latter. I would be amazed if those with a more practical esoteric understanding (and not mere memberships) were not painfully aware of this unique moment in time, and the chance that life has given UGLE to turn the corner if it so chooses.
You can always find the silver lining if you look hard enough, and you can grow enormously from problems. This is one lesson that I have learnt through bitter experience over many years.
Anyhow I watch with interest.
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Post by rbartlett on Sept 5, 2006 17:13:11 GMT
Lew, would it have gone to that? I would have thought that a "compromise agreement" would have been on the cards given the nature of the matter.You know the drill, "give me enough money to stop my mouth with gold and a good reference and I will waive my legal rights to take the matter to an Industrial tribunal" It happens all the time when companies want rid of Execs, Directors etc. That's assuming he's the innocent party in all this.. From my experience there are very few reasons a top exec is dropped in such an unceremonious fashion and it's rarely the company's fault. S&F Richard
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Post by Mikepm on Sept 6, 2006 23:00:44 GMT
Lads the jobs mine
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Post by pastmasterchris on Sept 7, 2006 12:54:30 GMT
Lads the jobs mine
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Post by pastmasterchris on Sept 7, 2006 12:57:02 GMT
My vote goes to Julian !!!!!!!!!!!!
S & F
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Post by joeboy on Sept 7, 2006 15:14:53 GMT
Julian, You're a shoe in......... Joe
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Post by lewfinnis on Sept 7, 2006 20:26:53 GMT
I agree that a compromise agreement is the most likely result, with a carefully worded press release.... Thinking back to what The Guardian reported about this, if their sources were accurate, he seemed to think he was acting in a private masonic capacity when he did whatever it was that caused offence - he ought to have realised that when you hold such a high office you can NEVER act in a private capacity, no matter how much you might want to.
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Post by JulesTheBit on Sept 7, 2006 22:51:26 GMT
Julian, You're a shoe in......... Joe Nah, I'll wait for the Grand Masters job. The Duke of Kent can't go on forever As far as the GSec role is concerned, agreement of T&Cs for termination with an outgoing executive are not necessarilly connected with the arrangements for appointing a replacement. In my opinion, as time goes by it becomes more likely that there will be absolutely nothing at all published by UGLE about the departure of the previous GSec. Eventually there will be announcements regarding the role & who will fulfil it in future, but I'm not holding my breath. S&F, Julian
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Post by billmcelligott on Sept 8, 2006 4:56:36 GMT
Typical, apron chaser.
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Post by Proton on Sept 13, 2006 21:09:15 GMT
Just to keep this tread updated on events. I attended the Quarterly at GQS today. No announcement was made about a replacement GSec. But, the Pro GM did state that the new post of Grand Chancellor will be created specifically to deal with all the overseas issues. etc. {do not all rush to get your applications in! } Whether or not this will be a salaried post remains to be seen. Additionally, there will be a Facilities Manager who will be responsible for all the matters pertaining to running the building, maintenance, security, etc. Inference here being that the incumbent could be a non mason and perhaps a woman! It is assumed that this will be a salaried post. As such these above mentioned duties and responsibilities will not form part of a new G Secs remit. Thereby lightening the load! It was noted by those of us who attended and were strategically located in the Gods(!) that Bro. Bob Morrow was in attendance at the meeting. Things are, as I understand it, still sub-judicy. But in time, it is hoped that further announcements will be made, when the appeals process has run its course. Proton
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Post by rbartlett on Sept 13, 2006 21:21:44 GMT
Just to keep this tread updated on events. I attended the Quarterly at GQS today. No announcement was made about a replacement GSec. But, the Pro GM did state that the new post of Grand Chancellor will be created specifically to deal with all the overseas issues. etc. {do not all rush to get your applications in! } Whether or not this will be a salaried post remains to be seen. Additionally, there will be a Facilities Manager who will be responsible for all the matters pertaining to running the building, maintenance, security, etc. Inference here being that the incumbent could be a non mason and perhaps a woman! It is assumed that this will be a salaried post. As such these above mentioned duties and responsibilities will not form part of a new G Secs remit. Thereby lightening the load! It was noted by those of us who attended and were strategically located in the Gods(!) that Bro. Bob Morrow was in attendance at the meeting. Things are, as I understand it, still sub-judicy. But in time, it is hoped that further announcements will be made, when the appeals process has run its course. Proton I'll have a look at the FM job -it sure beats the last one I got offered -a FM in IRAQ ! sadly I told them 90k wasn't enough to have someone film my head being cut off ;D Although my wife retorted "you don't have to travel all that way" as she cut the meat for the Sunday roast . I assumed she meant the new job but... S&F Richard
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