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Post by para on Oct 31, 2017 21:12:42 GMT
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Post by vadimzvonkov on Nov 1, 2017 19:27:25 GMT
(Non-"Mason") I find my own pursuit of knowledge, Christian mysticism mostly, overlaps some Masonic symbolism etc. It leads me to the question is it simply repackaged geometry, mythology, sacred texts, etc. of the ancients with a few new symbols and insights to make it somewhat personal to the "club"? Why is it not for everybody? Is it like the Hiram story of those bad guys who killed him, so they don't deserve to learn? h t t p s : / / w w w . y o ut u b e .c o m / w at c h ? v =I 0 t e S _V 4 B K M www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0teS_V4BKMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=0WQejkg-9PY
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Post by boreades on Nov 5, 2017 17:22:18 GMT
> As with any science, small actions can produce great effects, and this aspect of Masonic Science is veiled by allegory and protected by secrecy. A crude application of some of the principles can be found in NLP where the practitioner attempts to manipulate the behavior of others. Masonic Science is however considerably more extensive and includes the management of the temple that extends from East to West and North to South and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens - and beyond into yet more refined functions. Fortunately or unfortunately very few humans progress much beyond gardening - where can be discovered many of the principles of Masonic Science. That reminds me: we now have far fewer people joining Freemasonry for ego-related reasons (in the hope of personal pecuniary gain). Ambitious people (in the UK at least) are now far more likely to become Common Purpose (CP) Graduates. By which time they will have been the recipients of NLP. e.g. Sounds familiar? Not sure whether to be glad or sad that another organisation is getting the kind of stick that Freemasonry is used to. Maybe it's a cyclic or generational thing? Maybe CP is now in the position that Freemasonry was way back in the 1700s when it was viewed as potentially subversive or revolutionary, and other Friendly Societies were getting banned?
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Post by freemasonsareus on Dec 10, 2017 9:50:15 GMT
I believe the problem most Freemasons make is the belief that their usages, traditions and practices are a continuance of the traditions of age-old civilizations passed down to Freemasonry by succession. Firstly, their is no actual evidence of any such succession, there is plenty of supposition, guesses, if's, but's and maybe's and hundreds of romantic theorem, but all with no evidence. The greatest Masonic scholars of the 18th & 19th centuries, when these theories were popular, are now shown to be unreliable. The contemporary Masonic historians can now show that there has been no succession and despite the similarity of age old customs, many were imitated so as to accentuate salient points of our discipline. The Hiram Abbiff loss and recovery story being an example. Thus we find images of the square and compasses found on ancient structures all around the world, but they were not built by Freemasons. The square and compasses are tools, and workmen of all ages and trades, have moralised on their working tools, after all, their working tools were their living and without them they would starve. They were not able to pop to the local DIY shop to replace them. The other issue we have was that Andersons Constitutions of 1738, which contained a fantastical account of the origins of Freemasonry, is now acknowledged to be totally spurious, yet still today, it is quoted and relied upon as early evidence. What many overlook is the fact that the copywrite of these early books of Constitution were solely owned by Anderson, who benefitted from their sale. So in essence, I believe Freemasonry is not something that was rebranded or repackaged from something else, but it most definitely used, borrowed, stole, whatever word you choose to describe it, symbols and traditions of older civilizations, but, and its a big but, in many cases they put their own interpretation upon it to highlight its own teachings. Please feel free to read my blog at: freemasonsareus.wordpress.com/You can visit and like my Facebook page at: www.facebook.com/pg/freemasonsareus/ You can tweet him or ask him a question at: twitter.com/Freemasonsareus/
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Post by peter2 on Dec 10, 2017 10:10:01 GMT
>no actual evidence of any such succession Surely your analysis of the ritual has found many connections into Mithraic, Egyptian, and Sumerian practices. Consider for example the Egyptian use of the lion's grip when raising. >square and compasses found on ancient structures all around the world, but they were not built by Freemasons While most attempted histories of Freemasonry follow particular institutions, few follow the rituals. Even fewer follow the philosophy and intent of Freemasonry. These days there are very few practitioners of Masonic Science and that does make it more difficult to understand the underlying nature of Freemasonry - particularly in its pre-1717 greater purity. Meanwhile here are the founders of China with Square and Compasses, Sun, Moon and Stars It cannot have escaped your attention that both are depicted as serpents as were the Widow Isis and her husband Osiris.
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Post by boreades on Dec 20, 2017 22:11:41 GMT
> These days there are very few practitioners of Masonic Science and that does make it more difficult to understand the underlying nature of Freemasonry - particularly in its pre-1717 greater purity. Well said, perhaps even more so when the practitioners departed 5,000 years ago and we are Sleep Walkers in comparison (hat tip to Arthur Koestler). Some of the very earliest "masonic triangles" were created by the original Megalithic Astro-Geometry Initiates (let's call them MAGI). They understood triangular coordinates very well. Giza is 1/3rd (30 degrees) of the 90 degree quadrant (equator to pole) Thebes is 2/7ths (25.7 deg) Karnak (Thebes) = 2/7ths, 25° 43' 0 N Delphi = 3/7ths, 38° 29' N Avebury is 4/7ths (51.42 deg) or 360/7 Amarna, Akhetaten: Akhetaten means "Horizon of the Aten" (disc of the sun) 27.6 deg latitude = 5/13ths That would be a 5:12:13 triangle. Familiar to anyone aware of Stonehenge's 5:12:13 geometry. Here's a test question for you all : why is 21/29ths a significant fraction? 21/29ths = 58.9655 deg north Within a megalithic stone's throw of the Standing Stones of Stenness and the Ring of Brodgar. If you have any suggestions why, please let me know! :-)
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Post by peter2 on Dec 21, 2017 5:49:29 GMT
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Post by luciicul on Jan 10, 2018 18:12:34 GMT
Hello, I know this is not my conversation but it caught my attention.
The same knowledge........ it is but it is not. If you look at the KJB and apply "the time at hand is now" you'll eventually discover that reference implies Solomon's answer is not in his life time and that the English code is not for Israel and that's why the overlap of ELS can conflict, as well as possibly why they were taught there is no validity to English code.
Here's one significant example.......I noticed there was a conversation about 666 and Solomon. Problem with that is Solomon is not 666. Solomon is 618 and 618+270 is 888, not 666. I do not mean second Solomon.
Look: add IHVH to YHWH and the center of the heart of it is 270. The conflict comes from using the wrong numerical scale of numbers to letters.
For an accuracy scale check on the validity of the English code I'll use a personal example. On New Year's Day I went to a hotel with Harold, just 10 days ago. The English code reads, which I did not read until afterwards says specifically Luci and Harold hotel New Year Eve, Nehemiah 10:33-11:3. I have receipt for that. I went because I kept getting asked "what are going to do for you, and that's as close to a vacation as I can get. Now if you read that how long ago what might you think of that without the missing information ? It does not say Luci and Harold are not married but that we were married in that statement. We just do better not living in the same space, and I'm rather old fashioned in that divorce just means for worse in for better or for worse.
Possibly the point is to force people to talk to each other. Just a thought.
Luci
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Post by Quin on Jan 11, 2018 6:37:33 GMT
Hello, I know this is not my conversation but it caught my attention. The same knowledge........ it is but it is not. If you look at the KJB and apply "the time at hand is now" you'll eventually discover that reference implies Solomon's answer is not in his life time and that the English code is not for Israel and that's why the overlap of ELS can conflict, as well as possibly why they were taught there is no validity to English code. Here's one significant example.......I noticed there was a conversation about 666 and Solomon. Problem with that is Solomon is not 666. Solomon is 618 and 618+270 is 888, not 666. I do not mean second Solomon. Look: add IHVH to YHWH and the center of the heart of it is 270. The conflict comes from using the wrong numerical scale of numbers to letters. For an accuracy scale check on the validity of the English code I'll use a personal example. On New Year's Day I went to a hotel with Harold, just 10 days ago. The English code reads, which I did not read until afterwards says specifically Luci and Harold hotel New Year Eve, Nehemiah 10:33-11:3. I have receipt for that. I went because I kept getting asked "what are going to do for you, and that's as close to a vacation as I can get. Now if you read that how long ago what might you think of that without the missing information ? It does not say Luci and Harold are not married but that we were married in that statement. We just do better not living in the same space, and I'm rather old fashioned in that divorce just means for worse in for better or for worse. Possibly the point is to force people to talk to each other. Just a thought. Luci I've simply learn that I even shouldn't bother reading some peoples post, because their neurotic prattle and opinions really have no meaning, nor do they matter to me. They're simply nothing to me. I don't know what you just posted, because I'm not wasting my time reading what you wrote.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 11, 2018 22:01:45 GMT
Luci
As you may know there are both dark and light intelligences (spirits) and both are capable of producing remarkable coincidences that bewilder the human mind in their unlikeliness.
Finding unexpected patterns is only proof of active intelligence. Testing for light and dark intelligence is an additional task. I commend it to you.
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Post by luciicul on Jan 13, 2018 22:22:07 GMT
Reply to Quin...
I get that alot, usually from people whom either do not like the answers or it's too much work for them to bother. I'd like to thank you for your honesty.
Luci
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Post by luciicul on Jan 13, 2018 22:43:52 GMT
Peter 2,
It's not a test or coincidence but I can see why it may seem that way.
From my stand point it's awkward to hear someone else put my life in my hands, honestly. I know it's hard to hear I'm not dead. Of course there's no manual on how to tell people that......
I am being most sincere when I say that the biggest thing most people overlook is that everything in the "garden" has a name, as in a proper noun. Just like dark and grace tend to get confused because the have the same numbers to letters. Honest question..... not to be anything other than to see where I need to work on things..... do you know where in the text Dovod is listed beyond the name David and the story of Noah ? I mean in the structure of the Living Word itself ?
Luci
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Post by peter2 on Jan 13, 2018 23:10:25 GMT
In my experience dark entities frequently masquerade as light entities. Most people take their experiences at face value and thereby are defenseless. Further, having been duped for so long, most are reluctant to admit years of misguided life.
> I say that the biggest thing most people overlook is that everything in the "garden" has a name
In Hebrew, pardes is a walled garden. In English the word is paradise. Personally I do not aspire to living in a walled garden. I prefer to live in the Cosmos.
>I mean in the structure of the Living Word itself
Personally I regard much of the Old Testament as demonstrably derivative from Sumerian and Egyptian texts, supplemented by politically inspired histories to support religious claims.
The New Testament is better but also shows signs of much plagiarism and much editing by church authorities. For example the Rose of Sharon appears for the first time in the KJV.
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Post by luciicul on Jan 19, 2018 17:11:44 GMT
Peter2, Do you think I'm a dark entity ? Is that your point ? I'm not. Hmmmmm......y'all do know that the answer to what is dark and 666 are the same ELS code ? If you look it up in English it's very direct. The exact quote is Jehovah dark, listed 666 times. You ever spent any time with a child of a card carrying, spent time with Hitler Nazi ? Dark in some cases is subjective. Watching them spend every night with a gun to their head because they got beaten if the word Jehovah came out of their mouth, that's darkness. I have to know what darkness and it's intelligences are. I guess I could live in a bubble, but why ? I have no problems with telling the "company" they can bill me. I know they did and planned on it. Rather a challenge to experience being possessed and not knowing something about what darkness is. This Ripley is a whole lot more knowledgeable than most people think I have come to discover. Usually they do not know me, or they know me as something they were taught. You ever die ? I have. Got sent back with the exact words I will never forget, "You're not supposed to be here." It was dark, very dark. Then I walked around for two weeks I have no memory of predicting things that were going to happen. The one person who was willing to talk to me to this day will not tell me what I said except to say they all came true so far. Same person years ago had an experience when he was young had a vision in about the forest being on fire, and seeing Leucothea, which would be me. I painted it and showed it to him years later around his 60's because he was treated so incredibly poorly. First words out of his mouth were "you painted it, the white witch". What I did not tell him is all I painted was my self in terms of be the god within you. I showed it to him so he would know despite what everyone else told him was that he was not crazy. He was taught I hit myself in the head..... which is not true unless you consider lots of futball meeting that criteria. He'll probably spend the rest of his life trying to process it when he chooses to do so. I wanted him to know I care about him as a person. Another experience with darkness...... was in my apartment one day and it was while in a astigmatic state, I use this term because of the lock of a better term. Somebody who was very dark pushed me and I cracked a rib when I fell. I went to bed thinking if I can't breathe any better when I wake up I'm going to the emergency room. A man showed up in my sleep and I do not know what he did, but when I woke up it was like nothing happened and I had never felt better in my life. He appeared dark but there were no actions that were dark. I do not think he knew I could see him, or that I would remember. Point, I could go on about experiences about what is dark. Huge differences between experience and what they teach. There's a gentleman who released a documentary very recently about his experience after finding out he is in a completely different text, a naadi text, with incredible detail about his life using just his thumb print. Just as accurate, just as written. My thoughts on it after talking with other written people and considering what I know... there's no system currently in the now for people written in the English text to have a place to go for healing for the impact of the text itself on the lives of others. What the Indian people did in their time of now was to choose to provide a place of healing for him, divine forethought with the beauty of God in mercy. They chose a destiny for Craig as opposed to a fate for Craig by in their Living lives thinking of the future of his life, a place for him to go or a destiny. To me that means love won. Craig means rock. You know star light and light light have the same numbers, 336, but it's not a name. The garden is about naming. I had kind of an epiphany the other day, just theory but what if you put the text in equal pillars and marked every place it says light do you get a map ?? Possibly.... would be a definition of heaven on earth. Occurred to me possibly that's what people are perceiving. I have over 3 billion lines of letters to numbers to go over manually, since Dovod is a transition from Hebrew to English on Earth in Living Word architecture in a palindrome form. By name I'm Earth, thus the cows. Earth unnamed is 312. Named is different. Named is it's my birth date from conception to out of the womb, or the Earth square sum as 1234 is ten +27, or 1369, and it's sum tells you what century. My name is the first four verses of psalm 19, or 10+27 in a 37x37 square. 1134 is the sum of all the letters of my full name. If you were to list it as a palindromic form it's first listing is 4713 3174 on it's own. It's an example to go by for those who are named. Works for everyone by their first name unless you have a name that's longer than 27 letters. Leucothea is a naming of birth from John's mind in a trinity of Athena, Artemis and Aphrodite or to go from fully armored to beauty in mercy. They are not three different people. It's the same understanding that Snow White, Fiona and Cinderella are the same just metaphors as opposed to the more literal. Not any different than to say Adam is named in a naming as Cain, Able and Seth but his name is Adam. It's a Way, not the only way. It's only dark if you are an angel, aka demons, because they are not named as being the god within themselves. Thus the argument about Lot and why you don't worship demons or the dead, why they will never have a body or bodies of their own. A desire for more cows and mommy and daddy talk to the animals. Should I include in that statement "have weapon" ? Not very friendly if you interpret it wrong. Luci
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Post by peter2 on Jan 19, 2018 19:51:30 GMT
>My thoughts on it
How do you know they are your thoughts?
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Post by luciicul on Jan 20, 2018 20:05:58 GMT
I'm taking it if there was one of twelve you related to the most it would be Thomas ?
Because if it was someone else I would not have gotten an outside source of what I call a warm fuzzy of approval/agreement several minutes later.
I'm also used to planted doubt.
Ever have Hades in your house ? Yes, the real person. How would you know ? Can you describe him beyond something you read ? Can you draw a picture, beyond the painted portrait someone made ? What does his helmet look like ?
Me, my hair stands up all over if they are dead. Sometimes the room temp changes. I feel it. I'm an empath. Things like that. I can see why you would ask that. Had a dream several weeks ago as an example. In this dream it was raining outside and flooding this town. There's this other guy there working across the way. There was a street lamp on my right but it only lit up sideways. I walked over to the guy working in the rain. He says to me, "watch they won't bother me". Then the town had a group of zombies the police in this town gathered up. In a group they released them all into this flood specifically to hunt them. So all these people start running through this flood right past us while they are being hunted down. Without my telling you can you tell me what it means ? I know what it means. That was someone else talking to me.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 20, 2018 20:43:17 GMT
>How do you know they are your thoughts?
You don't know whether the thoughts are implanted. This makes you very vulnerable to manipulation.
Until you can control your level of consciousness to beyond the mental levels, it is very hard to distinguish home grown from implanted thoughts.
>I know what it means.
You know what you are supposed to think and that may be useful data.
As you may know human souls exist in parallel systems at the same time - presumably to improve progress through parallel processing. Data from the parallel processes often leaks through into this 3D existence, particularly in dreams. So an important task is distinguishing:
- parallel processes - externally imposed dramatizations - outworking of psychological issues.
Guessing is not the best method when one cannot control thoughts and therefore cannot recognize implants.
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Post by luciicul on Jan 21, 2018 2:01:56 GMT
Maybe a little less Freud...or a lot less.
The point was the street lamp shinging sideways and the rest was a distraction within the text. Here's why. A sideways shining light was a story about women born with cauls. The question being expressed was "was I born with a caul"? In the text it says I was born with a caul. The dream was a person asking me a question. Personally, I couldn't answer yes or no to that. Was I born with a "veil", yes, the other point of the question. "watch" was a reference to a movie called the sideways light. There's a group looking for someone named Diana who had a caul and if you shine the light on the left hand of my name it's a variation of Diana. I haven't decided if I want to bite that piece of bait. Their group is about "The Way". Honestly, my first thought was they have a group for "pairs" ? Did you know that when a rabbi sits in that special chair with his tefillin and recites a certain group of prayers to be blessed with a vision of god he's talking to his biblical pair and the barrier between them is a "veil". It exists between two pillars of fire in the red sea. If you stay long enough you can see Buddha arrive with his horses. My response was to give my pair a haircut and I just happen to like the butterfly metaphor. Did you know that blue and black or orange white butterflies are called Diana butterflies ? Diana is a feminine side to Adoni, Artemis or Yareh.
All I did was think about what I dreamt, but I did take longer than 4 hrs. Know thyself arms you against implanted thoughts.
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Post by peter2 on Jan 21, 2018 2:23:05 GMT
So how do you know that the dream was not an imposed dramatization.
I used to have a lot of those. In one I was walking through the center of a James Bond type event - without being observed.
Once I decided those were artificial dreams they stopped coming.
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Post by luciicul on Jan 21, 2018 3:50:38 GMT
I've had those. It's always interesting when the imposer does such a poor job you can see the piece of paper they are using. I watched an entire x files movie before it was made. That was freaky.
I think the zombie part was imposed, but also a part of the text that just says "luci was born with caul and does not know", 7 times in some ways. Look at the texts for the 7 times it says it. The zombies are the false light, or the actors and the film because that was not the point, or bodies without a spirit. Just a metaphor for communication. There's nobody in my family that collects jars of cauls. I'll walk away from it and leave it alone for a while and just listen to everything else that's happening in my environment.
I was going to add a documentary reference to a John Mack film about his patients. A lot of those people experience the same thing. I think it scares most people. I could relate to the husband without the regression therapy.
I respect your questions, but I'm going to step out of this conversation because it's wayyy off your topic.
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