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Post by bod on May 22, 2007 11:11:23 GMT
What? Even with this bit? "We dont talk about love we only want to get drunk" Was appealing to your hedonistic side!
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Post by bod on May 22, 2007 6:51:10 GMT
Libraries gave us power Then work came and made us free What price now for a shallow piece of dignity
I wish I had a bottle Right here in my dirty face to wear the scars To show from where I came
We dont talk about love we only want to get drunk And we are not allowed to spend As we are told that this is the end
A design for life A design for life A design for life A design for life
I wish I had a bottle Right here in my pretty face to wear the scars To show from where I came
We dont talk about love we only want to get drunk And we are not allowed to spend As we are told that this is the end
A design for life A design for life A design for life A design for life
We dont talk about love we only want to get drunk And we are not allowed to spend As we are told that this is the end
A design for life A design for life A design for life A design for...
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Post by bod on Mar 20, 2007 10:44:36 GMT
Bill Enjoy your Freemasonry. Please stop putting words in my mouth. He didn't put words in your mouth, you said : "some of whom I am told hold the ritual as being mere mummery, mumbo-jumbo, a price to pay to join the club." I believe thisis the bit Bill was asking you to substantiate, but I could be wrong, and no, I don't think you would make a good diplomat, you are too arrogant. I do agree with you tho, there does seem to be a gradual move towards a deeper understanding of the ritual from the 'Board of Directors' (for want of a better way of putting it) and the ProGM is the spearhead. It has often been said that is takes time to change an organisation of the size and age of freemasonry, and there are a lot of positives of late that indicate that things are moving in the right direction. But enough of that from me... One thing that jumped out at me was the last sentence from the speech: Brethren, on another subject, you should know that at the Annual Investiture the Grand Master is minded to make a positive statement about our relationship with the other long established and well known orders of masonry to which many Craft members belong. I believe this will be most welcome. AI is in April, so we don't have too long to wait to fid out exactly what this means, but I wonder if it will be in respect of the Mark and other degrees?
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Post by bod on Apr 19, 2007 14:07:20 GMT
Seeing as regularity and recognition is only something that impacts us as masons when we discuss visiting or other OFFICIAL masonic business, I don't really see the relevance or purpose in discussing it here. Plus the original question was "what irregular Freemasons understand in their obediences by regularity, which specific parts they reject and why of the items mentioned in the referenced article, or whether they reject the notion of regularity altogether and why"
We seem to have got sucked into the never ending vortex that is the bitch-fight about how right or wrong women masons are.
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Post by bod on Mar 21, 2007 12:23:06 GMT
Actually Lee the Danish bretheren were asking me about a great light of masonry that had been viewed on our South coast. I did explain it was merely the light from the Brighthelmstone candles glinting off your polished dome, and all expressed a desire to see that great light of freemasonry.....
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Post by bod on Mar 16, 2007 13:11:24 GMT
Congratulations to our very own 'Munkholt' on his raising on Wednesday night.
I was privileged to be part of this most excellent occasion, in the company of the marvellous men in tights from Notts, Forester, Doug and four other bretheren from Robin Hood country.
And what a welcome we received from the Danish bretheren!
We were very well looked after and made to feel extremely welcome, we had a tour of 'the House' and the museum before hand, and huge thanks to John Peter and John for their time, the building and the museum left a big impression on me.
The Danish system is quite different from UGLE freemasonry and the ceremony if the third left me speechless, even tho it was all conducted in Danish that didn't lessen the experience.
Thank you Thomas, and to JP and John for a memorable two days. And also to my travelling companions, I've started appeasing Mrs Bod already to make to next trip abroad more achievable.....did someone mention Poland???
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Post by bod on May 2, 2007 16:33:34 GMT
Lets not talk about necrophilia - its dead boring.....
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Post by bod on May 2, 2007 12:51:36 GMT
Would that be a male horse or a female horse?
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Post by bod on Jun 14, 2007 11:59:42 GMT
i see no reason to resent them at all - resentfullness to me is a negative thing to occupy your time with - let them get on with it, wish them well and enjoy chatting about the differences over a coffee or a beer if they are your friends.
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Post by bod on Jun 8, 2007 14:28:06 GMT
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6734355.stmFreemasons open door to students Freemasons have tried to shake off their secretive image in recent years Freemasons are extending a welcoming handshake to students on university campuses across England in a bid to attract more younger members. Young masons make up only 0.25% of the organisation's members in England, and membership has been falling recently. Nine lodges in university cities including Oxford, Cambridge and Durham are offering students cut price joining fees in a bid to entice them in. A spokesman said universities were an obvious place to access young people. Assistant Grand Master of the United Lodge of England David Williamson said the aim was to open up wider opportunities for undergraduates and other university members to enjoy Freemasonry. We have so much to offer that we feel it is important to make younger people aware of it. Chris Connop Grand Lodge spokesman He said: "This is a challenge for the lodges that have chosen to participate. "Young masons make up only about a quarter of one per cent of the membership of the Craft in this country, so we want to make the Craft more accessible to young men. "The recent approval by the Grand Lodge to reduce fees for under-25s by half will act as encouragement." Spokesman for the Grand Lodge Chris Connop said that like many other membership organisations, the Freemasons had seen a drop in numbers in recent years. This was mainly due to the older age profile of a large proportion of membership, he said. Personal gain "They are passing on to the Grand Lodge in the sky," he added. "We have so much to offer that we feel it is important to make younger people aware of it. "If you are going to put your message across to young people, universities seem to be an obvious place to do it." Those wishing to become masons are checked out by the Grand Lodge to ensure they do not have criminal records or are wanting to join for personal gain. Then their details are passed on to one of the 8,000 affiliated lodges which will get to know them. They then have to be proposed and seconded by existing members before joining.
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Post by bod on Aug 1, 2006 8:11:10 GMT
If the same keyboard warriors expended as much energy into helping their local lodges and communities as they did into putting down freemasonry and freemasons we wouldn't be having these discussions. Those that can, do. Those that can't sit at a keyboard and bitch on the internet.
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Post by bod on Jun 17, 2006 12:02:22 GMT
Yes it has been asked before, pasobsuk, for I believe it is you - why have you come back and asked the same question ?
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Post by bod on Jun 17, 2006 12:00:35 GMT
Bod, Bill, I see what you're saying but that angle assumes that our respective Grand Lodges / Supreme Councils have 'the only true Freemasonry' and I don't buy that. Really? How do you get to that interpetation? I dont see it at all - they are saying if you want info on the practical matters of protocol, visiting, etc then head office is the best place to go for the correct answer. If you want an interpretaion of freemasonry a GL can give you an answer but its not the only answer. Which is kind of what you say in the next paragraoh of your reply - which confused me (easily done!) No idea never asked them, and don't really care either, this is a webspace created by Lee, that I participate in, and thats it, it has nowt to do with my GL.
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Post by bod on Jun 17, 2006 1:40:34 GMT
" the Board considers that directing questions on protocol and similar matters to those participating in an Internet forum is inappropriate both for that reason and because of the nature of the subject-matter involved. "
It don't say forums is bad places or they is no go territory, it simply says for the real deal go to the horses mouth not its nether regions. And I have no issue with that, TM is a very experienced freemason and could ably advise me on the correct protocol for doing something, but I could get contradictory advice from, for example, you, that applies to your GL but not mine, as an inexperienced bod I could think you were right, follow your words and do something wrong under my GL rules - so it would be better for me to follow the correct channels, speak to them that writes the rules and get their advice as well before hand and thus make a fully informed choice as to my course of action.
I'm sure that UGLE and the other GL's are more than aware of the forums, and the opportunities they offer to bring potential candidates to freemasonry as wel as offering an extension of the worldwide fraternity. Heck, I even like to think that this level of masonic discourse is one that does not trouble them with regard to regularity and all that chaff. They are too busy watching us all have a jolly nice chat together......
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Post by bod on Jun 17, 2006 0:47:26 GMT
OMIGOD - ffs, what is wrong with you people? Especially you TM.
UGLE were quite correct when they framed the policy - trying to get accurate information off the internet forums was like trying to get Lee to pick the right lottery numbers for you - well nigh impossible.
We can look back on those 'old days' now with rosie tinted specs, but, and I believe this 100%, if you are a UGLE mason and seeking an answer on policy or proceedure then asking on an internet forum is the WRONG PLACE. You may get some guidance, but until you go to the mouth of the Oracle (and I don't mean Bracknell) then it can only ever be guidance. In this respect they are no different from ANY corporate body, and ultimately UGLE is a managing body, and thats it.
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Post by bod on Jul 7, 2006 12:25:49 GMT
I apologise now to Bod and anyone else who has had enough of this type of post but I was answering Maats questions to me. Why does he always pick on me? Bully.
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Post by bod on Jun 15, 2006 23:21:39 GMT
ad testiculitum? Talking the same bollox over and over?
Stewart, thats your opinion and view of what freemasonry is and where it came from, each person is free to hold their own view on that, as you are aware there are some who share your view and others who don't, it isn't for you or anyone of us to say that the opinion we hold is right.After all its not a religion.
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Post by bod on Jun 15, 2006 21:56:19 GMT
I want Freemasons to do what they claim that they do - be Freemasons. You know follow the tenets as best they can etc. Strive for Truth and all that - not sweep it under the carpet while pretending to follow the tenets or ignoring them. It really should not be too much to expect Freemasons to be......Freemasons...per their own definitions. Stewart, not quite too sure why you took my name in vain earlier as I wasn't a participant at the time of your reply. However, as with your wishes for freemasons I have the same desires for the clergy, the judiciary, the police, politicians, and the tooth fairy. Face up to the reality that freemasonry is HUMAN and has HUMANS in it, and as such is bejewelled and beset by the qualities and inadequacies of them. After all - you are not a perfect husband/father/son, you play your best in those roles and strive to improve. That is exactly what freemasons do every single day.
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Post by bod on Jun 13, 2006 21:38:05 GMT
Joe - thanks for your reply, it very much reinforces my point.
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Post by bod on Jun 13, 2006 18:26:51 GMT
Stewart, if I was to turn to you in frustration and anger and say 'Take a day off, don't be an asshole all your life' you could consider that a bollocking. It is very easy with the written word to mis-interpret the jist of what someone is trying to say, whenthese people refer to 'bollockings' it is more likely they were gently admonished rather than bollocking in the true sense of the word, however saying 'told off' or 'i was corrected' isn't a natural phrase for people to use in an informal context, plus it makes things more colourful if things are mildly exaggerated. Think how many times your children have said something similar, that on investigation is only slightly true and the rest is exaggeration? The same applies here.
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