That Perfect Ashlar

[leonardo]

Jesus was born perfect, but he was the Son of God

Lord Buddha was as perfect as he could be.

[Gimel]

Point taken. I guess that would be true if you were not Jewish, or not Buddhist, or not Zoroastrian....

Whoever your God is, his representation on life is perfect.

[leonardo]

There is only the one God but there are many interpretations and we humans have a tendency to create Him in whatever image we personally feel comfortable with.

There is an old saying, "Man cannot create a maggot but he can create gods buy the 1000!"

[maat]

leonardo said:

Jesus was born perfect, but he was the Son of God

Lord Buddha was as perfect as he could be.

Well - we are all sons of God but are we all perfect Leo?

I personally think that the theologians made a huge mistake in telling the people that Jesus was different to them. He was placed so far above the average man that we failed to hear his message about us being able to be just like him'. "What I can do you can do also!"

We tend to write these words off with the attitude of 'well of course we can't, he was the Son of God, he was different, he was God and we are not."

What if you were?

Maat

(Pssst Leo, when you get to the other side and see Budhha coming towards you - hide!)

[Tamrin]

maat said:

(Pssst Leo, when you get to the other side and see Budhha coming towards you - hide!)

According to a famous Zen saying: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

[leonardo]

maat said:

(Pssst Leo, when you get to the other side and see Budhha coming towards you - hide!)

I would be very pleased to see Lord Buddha coming towards me in any circumstances

[leonardo]

tamrin said:

maat said:

(Pssst Leo, when you get to the other side and see Budhha coming towards you - hide!)

According to a famous Zen saying: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

And with reason:

www.ordinarymind.com/koan_killing.html

[vtmason]

leonardo said:

tamrin said:

According to a famous Zen saying: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him."

And with reason:

www.ordinarymind.com/koan_killing.html

Whoa. I haven't seen that before. Thanks for the link, Elvis.

[leonardo]

vtmason said:

leonardo said:

And with reason:

www.ordinarymind.com/koan_killing.html

Whoa. I haven't seen that before. Thanks for the link, Elvis.

;D ;D

You're welcome.

Thank you very much

[willied77]

whistler said:

So Hitler was perfect for the Creators desire at the time?
(and therefore could be considered blameless? Judas likewise?)
Maat the problem is if Hitler wasn't perfect for the Creators desire,
It is to suggest that the Creator can make a mistake.
I don't think that is possible.
If you ask me was Hitler good or bad - you are asking me to make a judgment that I could only make on the basis of my human experience.
Which would be wrong.
As the Creator was within each of Hitler's cells just as within yours as mine.
The very same creator.
Can't see how the Creator in Hitlers Cells can be in error and the Creator in mine not in error.
I wouldn't presume to judge the Creator - after all it is the Creators game we are all playing. When I look at the Hitler's of history I start with the perfection of the creator and then seek to understand the reason for the Hitlers.

Mmmmm I'm led to believe Hitler was used by another Secret Society to eradicate thier main threat.... The Jews and Freemasonry.
A gifted Occultisit pointed out to me the formation Hitler used at his rally's, to control the Egregore. Two Pillars each side, 2 other 'controlers' either side of him, focusing thier 'secret weapon' upon the sheep. Look at the Nurmberg Rally...Its a perfect example....

Also the Nazi's used an inverted swastika as if they used it in its original position, it's Egregore would have influenced the Nazi's own infant Egregore. By rotating the Swastika, they knew it would reverse the orginal Egregores power over time....

I'm in no doubt that they were allowed access to advanced Occult Knowledge and were used as pawns in the battle between the dark/light.

[whistler]

willied77 said:

whistler said:

So Hitler was perfect for the Creators desire at the time?
(and therefore could be considered blameless? Judas likewise?)
Maat the problem is if Hitler wasn't perfect for the Creators desire,
It is to suggest that the Creator can make a mistake.
I don't think that is possible.
If you ask me was Hitler good or bad - you are asking me to make a judgment that I could only make on the basis of my human experience.
Which would be wrong.
As the Creator was within each of Hitler's cells just as within yours as mine.
The very same creator.
Can't see how the Creator in Hitlers Cells can be in error and the Creator in mine not in error.
I wouldn't presume to judge the Creator - after all it is the Creators game we are all playing. When I look at the Hitler's of history I start with the perfection of the creator and then seek to understand the reason for the Hitlers.

Mmmmm I'm led to believe Hitler was used by another Secret Society to eradicate thier main threat.... The Jews and Freemasonry.
A gifted Occultisit pointed out to me the formation Hitler used at his rally's, to control the Egregore. Two Pillars each side, 2 other 'controlers' either side of him, focusing thier 'secret weapon' upon the sheep. Look at the Nurmberg Rally...Its a perfect example....

Also the Nazi's used an inverted swastika as if they used it in its original position, it's Egregore would have influenced the Nazi's own infant Egregore. By rotating the Swastika, they knew it would reverse the orginal Egregores power over time....

I'm in no doubt that they were allowed access to advanced Occult Knowledge and were used as pawns in the battle between the dark/light.

My whole point is we are all part of Creators Game when you say I'm in no doubt that they were allowed access to advanced Occult Knowledge and were used as pawns in the battle between the dark/light You can be sure that the Creator knew what was going on, arranged it and had a reason, or do you suggest that the Creator is not the Boss man and there is something/one else?
This Battle between light and Dark - Who made the dark - what came first light or dark?

[Tamrin]

There is that which is and that which is not.
There is something and there is nothing.
There is that which creates and that which destroys.
God is all there IS but there "is" also the void.

[hollandr]

>Hitler used at his rally's, to control the Egregore.

It may be that Hitler was controlled by a greater being

[Tamrin]

hollandr said:

>Hitler used at his rally's, to control the Egregore.

It may be that Hitler was controlled by a greater being

We read:

New Age references to Hitler are sometimes veiled in positive generalities. Examples are Alice's husband Foster Bailey, and David Spangler, a Findhorn leader (a NA community in Scotland where the goat-god Pan is worshiped). F. Bailey tactfully does not name Hitler but describes a disciple who tried to put the Plan of the New Age gods into action "on a regional scale in the Rhine River valley" (Running God's Plan). Spangler, dedicated to "anchor the Plan on earth" by establishing other NA communities like Findhorn, distances the New Age Aryans from Nazi Aryans only in that the "blond, blue-eyed Germanic race which Hitler spoke of" was unnecessarily narrow - the Aryans "are actually a more wide-ranging and ancient super-race". (quoted by Constance Cumbey, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow) As an avowed disciple of Bailey and Blavatsky, he can be assumed to hold the same views about need to safeguard the "purity" of the Aryan race.

[willied77]

Bloodlines mean nothing to me. IMO it is a material trap.

I believe that spiritual development is the key, no matter what type of human species we inhabit

[hollandr]

tamrin said:

We read:

New Age references to Hitler are sometimes veiled in positive generalities. Examples are Alice's husband Foster Bailey, and David Spangler, a Findhorn leader (a NA community in Scotland where the goat-god Pan is worshiped). F. Bailey tactfully does not name Hitler but describes a disciple who tried to put the Plan of the New Age gods into action "on a regional scale in the Rhine River valley" (Running God's Plan). Spangler, dedicated to "anchor the Plan on earth" by establishing other NA communities like Findhorn, distances the New Age Aryans from Nazi Aryans only in that the "blond, blue-eyed Germanic race which Hitler spoke of" was unnecessarily narrow - the Aryans "are actually a more wide-ranging and ancient super-race". (quoted by Constance Cumbey, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow) As an avowed disciple of Bailey and Blavatsky, he can be assumed to hold the same views about need to safeguard the "purity" of the Aryan race.

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Gosh Philip you do find some strange things to read.

Leaving aside various errors of fact, my personal experience of some of the above entities does not accord with the quoted text

And David, having resided at Findhorn for a year or two around 1972 has moved on a bit

As for the assumed reference to Hitler, there are various humans who have shown an interest in the Rhine.

Recall also that the ancient Rhine was much greater when the seas were lower - connecting Scotland to Norway. Hence in ancient times the rivers of Scotland were tributaries of the Rhine. This resolves the discrepancy between Das Rheingold and the energy of the current Rhine river


Still, each to their own path

[Tamrin]

We may have to leave readers to decide for themselves whose accounts are stranger—yours or mine.
To assist, you may care to specify some of the errors of fact to which you refer.

BTW, in the context of, "the uniting of the nations of Europe,"
it is clear that Foster Bailey was not talking about prehistory.

[hollandr]

>To assist, you may care to specify some of the errors of fact to which you refer.

>Findhorn ..... community in Scotland where the goat-god Pan is worshiped

I was there for 5 years and never saw that. Findhorn did and I believe still does allow the conception of God to be a private matter. If there was a Pan worshipper amongst the hundreds of residents I did not meet him or her.

I did once meet a visitor who claimed to be instructed by Pan. But he did not appear to worship him.

Pan of course was considered at Findhorn to be the leader of the nature spirits rather as the planetary Christ is the leader of humanity

>As an avowed disciple of Bailey and Blavatsky, he can be assumed to hold the same views

When I spoke to David he did not seem to me to consider himself a disciple of any human. He seemed rather keen on making his own observations of inner reality and wrote a lot about those observations and his understanding of them

>distances the New Age Aryans from Nazi Aryans only in that the "blond, blue-eyed Germanic race which Hitler spoke of" was unnecessarily narrow

This seems to imply a commonality of agenda between David and Nazis. I never detected that.

The text seems excessively old and in my view based on prejudice rather than reality

There is of course a deeper issue and that may be stated in terms of the new impulse having both a dark face and a bright face.

For example I used to know a Dutch WW2 resistance worker who told me that many times 2 of them would go to collect someone from the train. One would watch and the other would go. They would toss a coin to see which watched. He told me that many times he was protected and watched the other arrested by the Nazis

Anyway this Dutchman found the New Age slogans quite disturbing as many had been Nazi slogans.

Some years ago in Australia I noticed a New Age magazine with the slogan : Strength through Joy. This of course was the slogan of the Hitler Youth. I suppose the Aust education system is a bit light on European history

Now it is easy to conclude that New Age and Nazi are the same.

But perhaps it is more accurate to say that the new impulse had a shadow side and that many chose to follow the shadow.

The shadow was defeated around 1942 but has made a strong resurgence in the last few years with loss of civil liberties in many countries

The choice of the human race is always between light and dark

Is there advantage in confusing the two? Advantage to whom?

[Tamrin]

From my perspective you have done more to corroborate the account than to debunk it.