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Post by jmd on Nov 1, 2004 14:12:06 GMT
Certainly to any brother who has interests in both Kabalah and in Freemasonry (and numerous other esoteric disciplines), I would unhesitantly recommend either the SRIA or its various sister organisations. Problem is, of course, is that it is currently restricted to Freemasons in those constitutions which are in amity with UGLE... except for a breakaway branch in the USA, in which the 'A' of SRIA stands not for 'Anglia', but for, if I recall, 'Americas' (I'll have to check and either be corrected or correct myself) Still, until the general rules change, I wonder how many here are members of either SRIA, its sister organisations, or its breakaway bodies... ...I obviously am
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Post by adder on Nov 1, 2004 18:46:30 GMT
Just out of interest I attended a Golden Dawn workshop recently,put on by the Ciceros. I got to hold W.W.Westcott's Bible in my grubby little hands. Quite an awesome and moving experience.There were pressed flowers within some of the pages,dated 1905.
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Post by staffs on Nov 1, 2004 18:46:50 GMT
I believe Steve is in this order and may well have an opinion on it.
For those who really are new and have absoloutely no idea what Kabbala is all about can the better educated please enlighten the forum ?
Also please what is Golden Dawn ??
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Post by atarnaris on Nov 1, 2004 19:34:02 GMT
Just out of interest I attended a Golden Dawn workshop recently,put on by the Ciceros. I got to hold W.W.Westcott's Bible in my grubby little hands. Quite an awesome and moving experience.There were pressed flowers within some of the pages,dated 1905. Bro Adder, Was that in Notthingham?
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Post by Seeker on Nov 1, 2004 21:38:15 GMT
Wow to talk on a Masonic Forum about Golden Dawn and Rosicrucian - this must be a site whose owners are confiident in their Masonry .. Well done. I know little about either other than they seem to have Masonic origins which makes them worthwhile to study, the little I have read suggests they may not be my cup of tea, but that doesn't stop me wondering what they are all about. Is the Golden Dawn active in the UK, to the have degrees, do they have similar rites to more common Masonic Lodges.
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Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 15:21:04 GMT
Bro Adder, Was that in Notthingham? Yes,were you there? (sorry I didn't reply sooner,got called away unexpectedly last night and only just got back)
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Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 17:01:40 GMT
I doubt wether Golden Dawn has much to do with freemasonry or possibly its origins (unless you can prove otherwise) there may be some similarity but this must not descend into occultism please in any way.
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Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 17:03:31 GMT
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Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 17:49:48 GMT
I doubt wether Golden Dawn has much to do with freemasonry or possibly its origins (unless you can prove otherwise) and i certainly dont think it should be linked with socros (unless you can prove otherwise also )there may be some similarity but this must not descend even slightly into occultism please in any way. Sorry Staffs,the relevance here is the founders of the G.D. including W.W.Westcott were all members of the S.R.I.A. It wont degenerate any further,promise. In point of fact Westcott was Supreme Magus of the soc.ros.
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Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 17:54:08 GMT
Adder,Sorry but i altered my post to provide some links and some questions that i am sure you will answer.
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Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 19:44:58 GMT
Do english SocRos and GD have a link ?? But can you give any evidence of the link with Freemasonry ?? Don't quite know how far to go on an open forum Staffs,feel free to e.mail me if you wish.
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Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 19:55:46 GMT
Its an open forum so be open please
Also What countries is GD practiced in ??
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Post by Seeker on Nov 2, 2004 20:02:59 GMT
I doubt wether Golden Dawn has much to do with freemasonry or possibly its origins (unless you can prove otherwise) there may be some similarity but this must not descend into occultism please in any way. If Golden Dawn hasn't got its roots in Masonry, I wouldn't want to see it discussed on this forum. If it has I am happy to see how it grew from our craft and maybe lost its Masonic direction. If it now has ideas that are not compatible with the craft I happy to know how and why. But certianly wouldn't want the forum to move into in depth discussion on Non-masonic subjects.
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Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 22:08:46 GMT
Its an open forum so be open please Also What countries is GD practiced in ?? What I meant was,I find it difficult to discuss without going into a blow by blow comparison of G.D.,Craft and H.R.A. ceremonies for example.(believe me,there are comrarisons a-plenty) There are a number of groups claiming direct linage from the original Mother Temple,very,very few able to substantiate their claims.There are also quite a few quite legitimate "successor groups" that do not use the name Golden Dawn. There are two groups in the U.S.A. who battled it out in the courts and both were granted the rights to the name,trade marks e.t.c.I find this side of it particularly boring.Sorry.
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Post by staffs on Nov 2, 2004 22:45:30 GMT
But : What countries is GD practiced in ??
Are you a member yourself as you seem to be quite into it Adder.
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Post by adder on Nov 2, 2004 23:44:21 GMT
But : What countries is GD practiced in ?? Are you a member yourself as you seem to be quite into it Adder. As a system it is practiced the world over by groups and solitary students.Most of it is public domain through the works of people like Israel Regardie.There are groups in the U.K. that can lay claim to initiatory if not institutional linage.As I said on the other forum,it was a study of things esoteric that led me to take a closer look at Freemasonry.I am no stranger to ritual.
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Post by taylorsman on Nov 3, 2004 0:01:01 GMT
I am in SRIA but NOT in GD. I understand that there was some talk of restarting GD in England but nothing came of it. There were quite a few Fratres of GD who were also Freemasons and I for one would most certainly wish to see GD discussed on this Forum in the spirit of Freedom of Speech we all hold dear here!!!!!
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Post by Lewis on Nov 3, 2004 0:13:59 GMT
Adder ,you seem to have evaded the question asked by the admin:
Are you a member of GD ??
My question is are you a freemason of an UGLE lodge ??
Is initiation in GD similar to FM and are there any obligations to take ??
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Post by adder on Nov 3, 2004 1:26:14 GMT
I doubt wether Golden Dawn has much to do with freemasonry or possibly its origins (unless you can prove otherwise) there may be some similarity but this must not descend into occultism please in any way. If I appear to be evading the question Lewis may I refer you to this qoute.To discuss the G.D. system in any depth is to discuss occultism. I am not a member of a U.G.L.E. lodge and never will be.I have made a different choice.As to wether I am a member of the G.D. that is a moot point involving as it does questions of linage,legitimacy e.t.c. There has been and still is a great deal of mud slinging by various factions which I want no part of. All of this started because I said I had seen and handled Westcott's Bible.I wish I hadn't bothered.
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Post by staffs on Nov 3, 2004 9:35:43 GMT
Adder,Thank you for keeping within the parameters of the forum "rules".The last thing we want is antis to jump in on this or give opportunity to others to damn us so early on.
Adder,it is noted you are not on the member list.Is there a reason ??
Your reasons if not wanting to join are respected but if you are having trouble registering please contact me.
Your posts are most welcolme in any mode.Please enjoy your stay
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