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Post by tws on Nov 30, 2007 23:40:58 GMT
ehhh, do you remember those people saying 'wait till the science is in' about global warming? well the science is in, and there is no connection between co2 and global warming. anyways if im making a 'wake up people, dont you see whats going on here' type of impression, lol that was not my intention. its just that this realisation has saved me so much $$$ and dissapointment, i just had to share... anyways, yeah i do see what u mean. and i totaly agree. theres alot going on right now. including this whole conspiracy scene. from it has spawned a thing that calles itself the 'truth movement' and as the name suggests (though their concentrating on 911 makes them look like conspiracy nuts) there all about accountability of authority. so uknow, there all scared and confused, but the seed is there. and there all gonna vote ron paul btw. lol go to a rally with a 'freemasons for ron paul' banner if u want to see some confused faces also how about that ron paul campeign? love him or hate him, its been a long time since any outsider managed to get anywhere at all, and this guy collects 4.3 million bucks in 1 day without even doing anything. score one for the underdog... i think internet is making alot of these things happen. humanity has never communicated on this level before, and communication is everything when it comes to evolution other then biological. Love that Ron Paul. I'm voting for him. Weigh in on the "Political Malcontents" thread dude.
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Post by jmd on Dec 1, 2007 11:09:30 GMT
You know Antonius, I am personally having a very difficult time attempting to decipher what you are trying to say. For myself at least, it would help enormously if you attempted to use English that approximates normal sentence structure and spelling. As an example, I am simply dumbfounded as to what the following might even mean: "its just that this realisation has saved me so much $$$ and dissapointment, i just had to share...
anyways, yeah i do see what u mean. and i totaly agree.
theres alot going on right now. including this whole conspiracy scene. from it has spawned a thing that calles itself the 'truth movement' and as the name suggests (though their concentrating on 911 makes them look like conspiracy nuts) there all about accountability of authority. so uknow, there all scared and confused, but the seed is there.
and there all gonna vote ron paul btw. lol go to a rally with a 'freemasons for ron paul' banner if u want to see some confused faces
also how about that ron paul campeign? love him or hate him, its been a long time since any outsider managed to get anywhere at all, and this guy collects 4.3 million bucks in 1 day without even doing anything. score one for the underdog..."
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Post by Antonius on Dec 1, 2007 11:10:44 GMT
ill check it out, but im not sure how far my oppinion will go since im not american...
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Post by hollandr on Dec 6, 2007 22:25:16 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself:
I wonder if anyone here has been obsessed by a thought that is unwanted but will not go away
How about a tune stuck in your head?
How would that occur?
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Post by maat on Dec 7, 2007 0:08:17 GMT
Radio transmitter and receiver. Our brains are a receiver, which deciphers the waves transmitted from elsewhere? Our brains are hardware, the mind is the software, the thoughts ..... as you say Russell, the big question! I think my thoughts are the ones I don't have arguments with. I think the thoughts that I argue with are overlapping tranmissions received from other people, entities, archetypal ideas etc.
Interesting to note that when hypnotised, the people are actually acting out what the hypnotist puts into their minds to do.
Maat
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Post by Antonius on Dec 7, 2007 0:56:49 GMT
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Post by hollandr on Dec 7, 2007 1:39:11 GMT
>I think my thoughts are the ones I don't have arguments with.
I recall an engineer I used to work with who was quite bright and forward-looking but his boss complained to me that the engineer sometimes made the silliest decisions.
I had a look at his mental structure in horizontal cross-section and it was heart shaped so that when he was operating in one lobe he was unable to access knowledge held in the depths of the other lobe.
(His boss could see that too when I pointed it out)
Thus a mental structure that is distorted by unresolved trauma may have inconsistent modes of activity and unintegrated experiences.
But if the mind is integrated and free of major traumas then, Maat, your proposition is correct - assuming of course that your consciousness is focussed in the mind at that time.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Antonius on Dec 7, 2007 13:01:32 GMT
humans are animals of habit. this derren brown guy does his stuff by knowing the different mental patterns we slip into and manipulating those. for instance in the dogtrack video i posted he manages to get the klerks to pay off on loosing tickits. he does this by taking advantage of the fact that the klerk is doing the same thing all day and has moved alot of her descision making to the subconciouss. he interrupts her routine at a key moment by slapping on the booth to distract her, and then follows it up by an authorative command laced with subliminal messeges. heres an explanation of the dogtrack trick: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdMaZzL_a90from these videos it seems to me that the mind has a natural tendency to compartamentalise, and a fully integrated brain sounds like something that cannot be maintained indefinetly. particularly in our society where we are constantly exposed to lots of sensory stimuli. im afraid alot of it is automatism, so im often not aware of doing this. also im severely dislectic and i lerned my english by watching american cartoons... though i think u overreact a little here, im pretty sure most of those words are english. ;D to clarify i was saying that all this conpsiracy rabble is growing out to an entire subculture and Ron Paul seems to be their patron saint. the idea of freemasons voting for ron paul would be a very challanging concept to those people who believe masons rule the world...
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Post by Antonius on Dec 7, 2007 20:37:14 GMT
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Post by whybu on Dec 7, 2007 22:47:09 GMT
CO2 has been scientifically linked to Global warming; it is the extent that we as humans effect it that is still in doubt. I for one believe we will never kill the Earth. Might be able to make it uninhabitable for us, but something will remain. Being self-centered creatures we think unfit for our use = useless all to often.
The most fun thing about conspiracy theories is that the ones who hold to them usually brand anyone who disagrees as "one of them" so you cannot use reason, logic or science to argue against it. If you do they simply say "that is what 'they' want you to think". Can't think of one conspiracy theory that has actually been proven correct.
It is alot like faith: belief in the absence of proof.
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Post by Antonius on Dec 8, 2007 0:13:42 GMT
theres plenty of proof, and a whole lot better then the annecdotal statistics of Al Gore's conspiracy theory video. what we have is icecore drillings and old tree rings and things like that. Real sciencealso it can be read on the NASA website that all planets in the solar system ae experiancing the same temperature trends right now. we did not pollute them all.
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Post by jmd on Dec 8, 2007 1:32:27 GMT
though i think u overreact a little here, im pretty sure most of those words are english. ;D unoith eenkurrite!
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Post by Antonius on Dec 8, 2007 2:20:19 GMT
Aoccdrnig to rseearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is that the frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.
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Post by wayseer on Dec 9, 2007 22:46:11 GMT
I'm sorry I don't have an IQ to match.
Is this all some bizarre experiment - to jump on a forum with your way out ideas just to see if other respond.
It is now more than obvious that you have no intention of debating Freemasonry at anything like an intelligent level but to use the forum for your own personal and disjointed enjoyment.
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Post by hollandr on Dec 9, 2007 23:09:17 GMT
We do seem to have got off track. But perhaps that in itself is a demonstration that our thoughts are not our own
After all, if our thoughts really are not our own, whoever owns those thoughts is hardly likely to encourage thinking about who really owns the thoughts
Thus the thought owner defends by generating a stream of enticing but tangential ideas
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Dec 9, 2007 23:56:42 GMT
It is now more than obvious that you have no intention of debating Freemasonry Hi John At least we are in the right section ... and Antonius is not a freemason. It has been my experience that everyone wins, if someone pushes our intellectual boundaries, even with bizarre ideas.... like the earth is flat and the everything in the universe revolves around the earth... ;D Cheers Maat
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Post by Antonius on Dec 10, 2007 0:49:21 GMT
no pity is not the word. the word is bigotry.
your comments are completely ad homonim, and your assesment of my personal beliefs is arbitrary at best.
this is what constitutes a personal attack, and i do believe there is a new rule against such behaviour. though i dont think it was instated with masons in mind...
basicly what your saying right now is 'your views are not like mine, so you must be both insane and up to no good'
if you feel so strongly, then feel free to challange me to a debate. i dont shy away from debate and i do yield to superior arguments.
feel free to call me names and spew whatever gall you have against me, but do it in PM and stop smearing my name in public.
all you are doing is throwing a fit because u dont like the ideas i express, and i dont think i have done anything to deserve being treated in this manner.
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Post by Antonius on Dec 10, 2007 0:51:51 GMT
oh and by the way: this topic is about the question wether or not a person can experiance thoughts not his own. every post i made has been relevant to this issue, and every irrelevant remark i made here has been in response to another post and merely as a side note.
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Post by penfold on Dec 10, 2007 12:35:01 GMT
Re. Derren Brown, know of him, seen him live, and read his books. He is a magician/illusionist from the mentalist school, a lot of his techniques involve elements of NLP and suggestion. Very entertaining and very hard to master!
Addendum: I made this post earlier but have had more time to think about the subject in context of the thread.
An illusionist or mentalist who projects their will onto a subject by subtle means and use of language moulds the thoughts of the subject, proving their are times when our thoughts really aren't our own
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Dec 12, 2007 22:02:50 GMT
During the life the threefold spirit, the Ego, works on and in the threefold body, to which it is connected by the link of mind. This work brings the threefold soul into being. The soul is the spiritualized product of the body.
As proper food feeds the body in a material sense, so the activity of the spirit in the dense body, which results in right action, promotes the growth of the Conscious Soul. As the forces from the sun play in the vital body and nourish it, that it may act on the dense body, so the memory of actions done in the dense body-the desires, feelings and emotions of the desire body and the thoughts and ideas in the mind-cause the growth of the Intellectual Soul. In like manner the highest desires and emotions of the desire body form the Emotional Soul.
This threefold soul in turn enhances the consciousness of the threefold spirit.
The Emotional Soul, which is the extract of the desire body, adds to the efficiency of the Human Spirit, which is the spiritual counterpart of the desire body.
The Intellectual Soul gives added power to the Life Spirit, because the Intellectual Soul is extracted from the vital body, which is the material counterpart of the Life Spirit.
The Conscious Soul increases the consciousness of the Divine Spirit because it (the Conscious Soul) is the extract of the dense body, which latter is the counterpart of the Divine Spirit.
Hopefully 1 of these 3 generates my thoughts, outside of that, well.......
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