Crop circles and other puzzles

[windtimber]

Interesting stuff these crop circles.

Not wanting to be a wet blanket here, but we've got zillions of acres of corn, wheat, rye, oats, soybeans, and grain sorghum all around here, and nary a crop circle - that I've ever heard of anyway - in the more than 5 decades I've been around. What does the rural UK have that the rural US doesn't?

Just wondering.

[lauderdale]

Blokes with Boards and Rope and a sense of humour?

[hollandr]

>What does the rural UK have that the rural US doesn't?

I have seen a map somewhere showing "90% of formations in Southern England lie on aquifers (water-carrying rocks — mainly chalk, limestone and greensand)" The relevant soils lie in a long narrow band over perhaps 200 miles

And there is of course a wide range of biological and electromagnetic phenomena recorded in and around crop circles. A common one is forgetting what one entered a circle to do - remembering immediately on exit and then forgetting immediately upon entry - and repeating the cycle again

Similar cycles of failure of cameras and electronic equipment are common

The ground under genuine crop circles is also much drier and somewhat warmer than the immediate surroundings

And the physical structure of individual plants is often modified as from microwave heating

The previously unknown geometrical theorems used in the design of some "circles" are also a curiosity for academics

But as to why the bulk of circles occur in England - perhaps Blake can tell us:

`All things begin and end in Albion's ancient Druid rocky shore.'

Cheers

Russell

[Antonius]

in the more than 5 decades I've been around. What does the rural UK have that the rural US doesn't?

well just take a look at the first post in this thread.
i posted some pics that show an eery similarity to the landscape of mars
that cannot be explained away by coincidence.
also there is stonehenge and some other things that suggest this was a
place that was very important to the ainchent cultures of that place.

[maat]

Here are a few from the USA. Forget the title of the site

www.iwasabducted.com/cropcircles/

The videos I have marked for future viewing when time allows.

I love the angel croppy... have not seen that one before.

Maat

[windtimber]

antonius said:

in the more than 5 decades I've been around. What does the rural UK have that the rural US doesn't?

well just take a look at the first post in this thread.
i posted some pics that show an eery similarity to the landscape of mars
that cannot be explained away by coincidence.
also there is stonehenge and some other things that suggest this was a
place that was very important to the ainchent cultures of that place.

OK, I'll take your word on the first post. I tried reading it and, no offense, but I just got horribly confused. That's my problem and nobody else's! The pictures Maat directed us to are interesting...note the one from Dodgeville, WI, where the farmer said he saw the things being developed in a rain/wind storm. I have seen some weird blowdowns in corn and waconia cane fields...but, admittedly, nothing so symmetrical and seemingly intentional as the UK [and Ohio] circles.

Now, Stonehenge and other places important to ancient cultures...maybe that does have something to do with it. Then again, there's old stuff everyplace...but crop circles seem to be fairly unique to the UK. Or at least most noticeable in the UK.

Again, no offense, but that kind of takes me back to the "blokes with boards" comments made a ways up the string!

Other than the guy in Wisconsin, has anybody ever seen these things being made [Excluding the made for TV hoaxsters, that is!]?

[Antonius]

no1 has ever seen them being made.
also they have been found in places at times when there realy is no time for
any1 to sneak in and out of the field without being seen.

as for the claim i made about the similarity between that area and cydonia on mars,
just look at the pictures.
those are images of the map of that region overlayed on a photo of mars:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/darklis_ruthven/mars_cydonia_mappie.jpg

see those white lines are the map of avebury, on top of the black and white image of cydonia.

and here they are next to eachother:
secretebase.free.fr/planetes/mars/cydonia/avebury2.jpg

the landscape of avebury and silvery hill is identical to cydonia on mars.
furthermore silvery hill is manmade and very old.

heres an intersting video about this question:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7441333249846634309

as for the area being interesting to ainchent peoples, in my first post i linked
this video: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1809393878728948984
in there the guy mentions the area as 1 of 10 places on earth that have unexplained
megalithic structures from way to long ago.
the spynx, stonehenge, the easter island stone heads etc, all these things are distributed
around the planet in such a way that if u were to view the earth from above with the
north pole centered in view, these megaliths are placed in such a way that 2 pentagrams
can be drawn between them.
even more interesting is that the nature of these structures seems to have something to
do with astrotheology.
the structures are built to reflect star constellations just like the way the pyramids and sphynx in egypt reflect orion and leo...

[hollandr]

Here is probably the most common video of a light ball appearing to make a crop circle

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6vP8-SbU0

and this video summarises some of the strangeness about some formations

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tmHoCNDoAg

[maat]

"no1 has ever seen them being made."

Not true, antonius. Quite a few have seen lights above as a formation is made... also heard noises.
The video link you posted above looks interesting... will view it over lunch. Thanks for that.

Maat

[Antonius]

as i understand it that video is the only one of a circle in the process of forming.
all other videos show lights in formations or places were a formation later appears.

personaly im a bit skeptical about this part of the story.

[maat]

I was thinking about the croppy that tamrin posted, the really precise one that looked like an advert for a beer, maybe.

IF the scientists do have something that can do that to crops, what a scarey thought. What other invisible forces with formation qualities can be directed at us. Don't want to go there.

Maat

[hollandr]

A few years ago I was involved with regional landscape planning

I told my boss one Friday that we needed something mysterious happening in the landscape to draw people's attention. And I said to him that I would try for a crop circle in the region -around Brisbane Australia

Anyway that Sunday (as I recall it) there was a report on the national TV of a woman being seen to be taken from a sugar cane field near Bundaberg (just outside of the administrative region but arguably inside the biological region). She went up into the air and disappeared. 90 minutes later she appeared at Mackay Base Hospital about 400 miles away "muddy and disoriented". The incident was the subject of a paper at a later UFO conference.

So that was a pretty immediate response.

And about a year later there was a "crop downing" right in the center of the target region and a few months later there was a real crop circle a few miles away www.uforq.asn.au/casefiles/circles.html

It was the only Australian crop circle reported that year and the only Aus crop circle reported since I tried for one in that region.

Why is it so?

Cheers

Russell

[maat]

This is worth revisiting...

Two Related 1991 Crop Formations

In retrospect, a very astute observation was put forward in an article by crop circle researcher, Mark Styles. He pointed out that the 1991 Barbury Castle triangular crop circle formation was very similar to the lower triad of the Kabalistic Tree of Life.

He presented an equally astute theory in the article regarding the Mandelbrot Set crop circle formation which also appeared in 1991, on August 11. He showed that the Mandelbrot Set formation is similar to the Kabalistic Tree of Life, except for the top circle, which is Keter, the Crown, the One Source is "missing." He suggested that this may mean that "Keter is moving into Daat."

www.greatdreams.com/treeol.htm

Maat

[Antonius]

Why is it so?

i dont buy the rope and planks story, but im still skeptic of any nonhuman involvement.
still i cant help but wonder:
if we assume non human intelligence, it may be an attempt at communication.
perhaps these things happen at places specifcly where the landscape is used to
make images that can be seen from above.
maybe thats why the majority of them happen at stonehenge, because the authors
are looking down and interpeting it, and the everbury/cydonia similarity as an attempt
by us to communicate with them.

i saw a video once where people were sitting around in a field meditating with the hopes
of being rewarded with a cropcircle, wich apprently they were as one popped up later
that day in that same spot.
the thing was organised by a japanese guy, and the formation they got was of the
symbol for japanese origami.

assuming these are ndeed 'aliens' or whatever, then it seems like they are trying to
communicate in the very language of the subconciouss.
furthermore it seems they know this language much better then we do.
most interestingly, it very strongly indicates a very spiritual mindset on the part of
the aliens, wich is something that seems to come back in other aspects of the whole
UFO mystery.

maybe we should design a formation of our own as an attempted communication
and have some plankboys create it for us and see if we get a reply.

[hollandr]

>it may be an attempt at communication.

I seem to observe that when crop circles start for the first time in a new region, they are initially very simple and progressively become complex. As if something was learning how to do it.

And I think that there is sufficient strangeness associated with crop circles to eliminate conventional technology and sometimes sufficient new geometry to discount the sorts of people who claim to fake these things.

[windtimber]

Irresponsibly delaying the inevitable need to attack the pile of work on my desk, I've been gazing out the window at the snow covered landscape. Then it struck me...with snow on the ground for several months of the year, how come the orbs, aliens, natural [or unnatural] forces, or whatever they are never create designs in the snow? Or, maybe they do and I've just never heard about it?

[Antonius]

im tempted to think that the whole reason for these things
is simply to keep us guessing...

[danael]

This thread caught my interest for a couple of reasons. #1 I remember when the fractal patterns showed up shortly after the discovery of fractals. #2 I have helped people in Iowa make crop circles in the corn and soybeans. Both times the farmer was well aware of what we were doing though. It can be done at night and the board and rope do come in quite handy. The majority of crop circles are human art or just to prove they can be made. I have seen a couple of natural circles in soybean fields that had been caused by vorticies ot baby tornadoes. Those tend to be irregular in shape.

[maat]

What an interesting exercise danael. Did you go the lengths that these students did?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle#Scientific_analysis

There were three criteria set that they had to meet.... they only managed two. So while there are man made circles/patterns there still remain most of them that are inexplicable. With the criteria set for the students to meet, one must ask the question - Why? are these anomolies present, not How? do we reproduce them.

Maat

[maat]

Windtimber, came across a Crop Circle book where they had lots of info on the US circles. Many, many more than I expected and some were in snow. Will do some homework and get a little list going for you. The book is 'old' now published in 1999 from memory, but it will be something for you to follow up on if you are interested.

Maat