Crop circles and other puzzles

[hollandr]

>In the case of evidence AGAINST, one repeatedly encounters confessed hoaxers:
In the case of evidence FOR, one cannot prove a negative. In other words, the onus of proof is on those who assert the proposition.

This seems a rather black-white frame of reference.

In some situations realities seem to blur - as if there were parallel worlds or inner and outer realities interacting

I recall being lifted 18 inches vertically off the ground while seated in the mildest of breezes. How should I apply Occam's Razor to that?

Should I doubt my own experience in order not to disturb the beliefs of others?

[hollandr]

Aug 27, 2008 11:12:37 GMT Tamrin said:

Aug 26, 2008 23:48:29 GMT @hollandr said:

I wonder what sort of influence could dampen the human race's well known curiousity?

A plethora of more credible subjects.

Well I wonder if that really explains the great effort expended to explain away such interesting matters

I suspect there is another issue.

I recall Velikovsky asserting that humans cling to the clockwork view of the solar system because they have an instinctive understanding that the solar system is irregular and dangerous and they do not wish to contemplate it

[maat]

Aug 27, 2008 22:50:39 GMT @hollandr said:

Should I doubt my own experience in order not to disturb the beliefs of others?

NO!

Me and my 'ghost' and I
Maat

[hollandr]

>NO!

On the other hand those reluctant to disturb their beliefs find it easy to doubt the sanity of those with anomalous experiences

There might even be a profession based on that

[Tamrin]

Aug 27, 2008 22:50:39 GMT @hollandr said:

Should I doubt my own experience in order not to disturb the beliefs of others?

[Tamrin]

Aug 26, 2008 11:06:38 GMT @hollandr said:

Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music. Curiously, Hawkins could find no reference to such a theorem in the works of Euclid or in any other book that he consulted."

[hollandr]

farside.ph.utexas.edu/euclid/Elements.pdf

[Tamrin]

Pythagoras & Music of the Spheres

There is geometry in the humming of the strings
... there is music in the spacing of the spheres.

Dartmouth College, Mathematics Dept. (Geometry)

(Excerpt)

We'll look at the Pythagoreans' ideas about numbers, as a prelude to our next unit on number symbolism. Finally, we'll introduce a new idea that will be recurring theme throughout this course, the musical ratios, which will reappear in discussions of the architecture of the Renaissance.

[hollandr]

I am sure that Hawkins was quite familiar with the Pythagorean system for generating musical notes (as are most secondary school physics students).

It might be worth inspecting the geometric structures to which he was referring as they bear no resemblance to the illustrations from Pythagoras

www.swimoutsidethepool.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/cropconcatnarrative.pdf

and here is a simpler exposition

www.cropcircleconnector.com/ilyes/ilyes16.html

and another

www.lovely.clara.net/hawkins.html

The new theorems seem quite popular

[Tamrin]

Aug 26, 2008 11:06:38 GMT @hollandr said:

Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.

[hollandr]

>Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.



I do not understand what you mean by geometry.

Try Euclid

[Tamrin]

Sept 4, 2008 20:23:08 GMT @hollandr said:

>Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.

I do not understand what you mean by geometry.

By geometry, I mean geometry! What do you mean by geometry?

[hollandr]

At the risk of stating the obvious the musical relationships of Pythagoras are based on relative masses not on geometry

Thus the anvils of various masses produced different notes

And because mass and weight are linearly related in this gravitational field it is possible to use the same mass ratios to provide weight tension on wires to produce notes

Then one can use constant masses and variable length wires to do the same thing

But this is not geometry. Geometry is literally the measuring of the planet. Hence it is spatial

Pythagoras' music is based on mass not space - in my view. You may have different view

[Tamrin]

Sept 4, 2008 22:33:40 GMT @hollandr said:

At the risk of stating the obvious the musical relationships of Pythagoras are based on relative masses not on geometry

That's not all it looks like to me.



If you insist upon music being outside the domain of geometry,
then your mate Hawkins is out in the cold with Pythagoras.

[hollandr]

I give up

[lauderdale]

Russell, I did with him ages ago.

[Tamrin]

Ahhh! Brothers all!

[corab]

That's an interesting thought actually, Bro:. Tamrin -- the idea of the diapason.

It is commonly known that the Universe continually expands -- wouldn't that affect the perceived tonal ratios in the Pythagorean concept?

Note I'm not a mathematician by any stretch of the imagination, so keep it simple, please! ;D

[Tamrin]

I suspect that would be like changes to a "constant", such as the speed of light, where all else is relative to it as a standard: There could be a change of the type described as the "red shift" (Doppler Effect).