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Post by marcopolo on Jun 11, 2008 19:42:26 GMT
Oh brother.  Angelo, you should probably move out of Brazil. I've heard there are voodo people there. How can you continue to yoke yourself with darkness? And yet, you continue to yoke yourself and quote false websites. I notice you still haven't answered my questions. And why do you continue to yoke yourself to a faith which preaches that "When Fags Die, God Smiles"; That salvation is for the White Man Alone! Why do you continue to yoke yourself to such satanic darkness? I mean they are, after all, evangelicals like you (us), right? the difference is : i do not have any close relationship and even worse, brotherhood with these people. actually, i live my life, they live theirs, each on at his palce. i do not share anything with them. However, with you, the story is quit different.... But you DO share close brotherhood with these men. Not only are they of your own faith (Christian), but your own sect (Evangelical). Why do you deny you believe these things. Are you lying? Are you deceived? Are you ignorant of what your sect teaches? You can't "live your own life" and they live theirs if you are a part of them. You are yoked to darkness, and in Christ there is no darkness. How do you explain this? |
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Post by maximus on Jun 11, 2008 19:49:45 GMT
Who's talking now ..? This is so definitely not the same person we've come to know as Angelo ... Fine. In this case you admit they were in fact ex masons. That makes it clear, they had insight of what happens behind the doors of freemasonry. The fact that they sell some stuff, does not mean, what they say, is untrue, automatically. So lets give a closer look about what they claim. Let's see, if all, that they say, are lies. Freemasonry is not a Christian organization, nor is it an organization primarily composed of Christians. There are Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems, and even Witches who are Masons. While many Masons claim to be Christians, we question, "How can they be in fellowship with Jesus Christ if they continue to walk in darkness?" If a man is a Christian, the Holy Spirit in-dwells him. Some of us were Christians before we joined the Lodge. We can testify that the Holy Spirit was not silent as we went into the lodge. There were many aspects of Masonic ritual which grieved the Spirit. Those of us who listened left the lodge rather quickly. Some never went back, after being initiated. Others of us ignored the Holy Spirit and quenched it. Later, our eyes were opened by someone whom God had sent to witness to us. In some cases, it was a Godly wife who caused us to question Masonic teachings. At that time, the Holy Spirit confirmed the testimony of the one God had ordained to lead us to repentance. Others of us were led to Christ while we were Masons. As a result or our new 20/20 vision, we were able to see that Freemasonry is incompatible with Christianity. We left the lodge in order to follow Jesus. Are there Christians in the Lodge? Yes, temporarily. Conclusion : if someone despite the incompatibilities with the Christian faith does continue to be a freemason, he might not be a true christian. He copied and pasted the main part of this post from the E-5:11 site, without attribution. Edit: I think he may have got it from there. I saw this before, but can't find it now. Too many tin foil hat sites to keep up with! |
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Post by maximus on Jun 11, 2008 20:07:45 GMT
He copied and pasted the main part of this post from the E-5:11 site, without attribution. Ain't that a code violation?  Ain't that using satanic tactics?  Ain't that deceiving/sinful/wrong?  Ain't that just typical! ;D This explains much. He's not only parroting; he's stealing other people's work.  No wonder he sounded like more than one person. He's two faced!  That's why I referred to him as Legion, which went whistling a mile above his/her/it's head. Note he/her referred to his/her self as being thought "possessed" as did Jesus? Didn't get it. |
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Post by imakegarb on Jun 11, 2008 20:08:49 GMT
darkness and light do not go together. Elshamah, all y'all, (so maybe it should be "Elshameem"), I've said I will not debate with you and it is out of mercy and compassion that I will not. But this . . . that darkness and light do not go together . . . my dear fellow traveler in this world, it cannot have escaped you that there is light that can be seen ONLY in darkness. For God created them both (I'm sure even you will not deny that). All you need do is go out and look into the clear night sky and there, you will see, the softer light of God's creation. The moon, the stars, the planets, all made by the hand of God. That softer light is always there. Always. But the stronger light blinds us to it. It is only in darkness that we see it. All light is worth seeking, even that which God, in his wisdom, chose to place in darkness. To deny that, my friend, is to deny God. So, logically, the light and darkness *do* go together. Perhaps the difficulty, for you, is that you just don't see that. Yet. And what you don't see, you can't understand. This frightens you. So you deny it. You're not alone. Many are afraid of the dark. But not everyone backs away from this part of God's creation. We Freemasons have a number of allegories about this kind of blindness. Working thru them helps us to find our way ever toward the Light. And anything that brings a body nearer to God is worth pursuing. And, so, we become impatient with those, such as you (y'all) who would pull us away from God. I know you do it because you think we're going in the wrong direction. You seek to show us The Way. But your comment, above, gives you away (though I know you do not see it). I must move ever close to God. I cannot follow you. And, so, I won't. That's all from me. Take care. |
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Post by leonardo on Jun 11, 2008 20:17:59 GMT
BTW - only 33 more posts to go! For what, may I ask By the way, Karen, good to see you back  |
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Post by billmcelligott on Jun 11, 2008 20:21:08 GMT
Conclusion : if someone despite the incompatibilities with the Christian faith does continue to be a freemason, he might not be a true christian. I would suggest you go and ask Duane Washam, he is one who left the Craft the rest of his family are still Freemasons today. He followed his beliefs and made a sacrifice, no one here would tell him he was wrong. But when he tells me I am wrong that is another matter. My Faith, my Christianity is worth no less than his or yours. So your conclusion relies on one person out of a one particular family or 3 or 4 people out of some 5.5 million Freemasons. The TRUTH will out. |
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Post by maximus on Jun 11, 2008 20:23:26 GMT
BTW - only 33 more posts to go! For what, may I ask Why, post 666 of course! That one is reserved for Angelo. Or. I may take it, since Angelo thinks I am a Satanist. |
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Post by leonardo on Jun 11, 2008 20:39:09 GMT
For what, may I ask Why, post 666 of course! That one is reserved for Angelo. Or. I may take it, since Angelo thinks I am a Satanist. ;D ;D I'll be watching with additional interest, now ;D |
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Post by Tamrin on Jun 11, 2008 21:07:29 GMT
That's why I referred to him as Legion, which went whistling a mile above his/her/it's head. Note he/her referred to his/her self as being thought "possessed" as did Jesus? Didn't get it. You, whose name might more accurately be Legion... |
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Post by elshamah on Jun 11, 2008 21:11:11 GMT
darkness and light do not go together. Without a dark, there would be no light. Both are required for balance. I've already provided you a link. Click on the big, green word "Thelema" and you will go to Wikipedia. But, feel free to "do the work." I would be interested in reading your misconceptions of Thelema. In your own words, please. What are you afraid of? Cooties? Or is your faith so weak that you fear being pursuaded to follow "Satan?" i am not afraid about anybody. However, i do not share any common interest with wiccans, satanists, freemasons, etc . So why would or should i walk together with these people ? there are enough homepages about Aleister Crowley and Thelema on the internet. There is no secret, that he was a horrible, disgusting human being, that many people , that had to do with him, died. He asked his followers to eat shit and things like that. Well..... i don't think its needed to go any further and expose what kind of dirt this guy was. Thelema |
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Post by elshamah on Jun 11, 2008 21:12:37 GMT
For what, may I ask By the way, Karen, good to see you back We're dealing with the messanger of the false god, do the math. Who do you think is the true god ? So , marco polo, do you agree, that the God of the bible is a false God ? |
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Post by elshamah on Jun 11, 2008 21:15:38 GMT
the difference is : i do not have any close relationship and even worse, brotherhood with these people. actually, i live my life, they live theirs, each on at his palce. i do not share anything with them. However, with you, the story is quit different.... But you DO share close brotherhood with these men. Not only are they of your own faith (Christian), but your own sect (Evangelical). Why do you deny you believe these things. Are you lying? Are you deceived? Are you ignorant of what your sect teaches? You can't "live your own life" and they live theirs if you are a part of them. You are yoked to darkness, and in Christ there is no darkness. How do you explain this? So you want to assert i do have anything in common with vodoo people ? BTW, in Brazil, there exist Umbanda, and Candomblé, Vodoo is practized more in Haiti. I have NEVER entered a Candomblé Temple, or Umbanda, and do not have anything to do with these people. So please, stay on the rational side, please. Do not make stupid and empty accusations. |
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Post by corab on Jun 11, 2008 21:24:38 GMT
Do not make stupid and empty accusations. Take a leaf out of your own book. |
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Post by elshamah on Jun 11, 2008 21:25:01 GMT
darkness and light do not go together. Elshamah, all y'all, (so maybe it should be "Elshameem"), I've said I will not debate with you and it is out of mercy and compassion that I will not. But this . . . that darkness and light do not go together . . . my dear fellow traveler in this world, it cannot have escaped you that there is light that can be seen ONLY in darkness. For God created them both (I'm sure even you will not deny that). All you need do is go out and look into the clear night sky and there, you will see, the softer light of God's creation. The moon, the stars, the planets, all made by the hand of God. That softer light is always there. Always. But the stronger light blinds us to it. It is only in darkness that we see it. All light is worth seeking, even that which God, in his wisdom, chose to place in darkness. To deny that, my friend, is to deny God. So, logically, the light and darkness *do* go together. Perhaps the difficulty, for you, is that you just don't see that. Yet. And what you don't see, you can't understand. This frightens you. So you deny it. You're not alone. Many are afraid of the dark. But not everyone backs away from this part of God's creation. We Freemasons have a number of allegories about this kind of blindness. Working thru them helps us to find our way ever toward the Light. And anything that brings a body nearer to God is worth pursuing. And, so, we become impatient with those, such as you (y'all) who would pull us away from God. I know you do it because you think we're going in the wrong direction. You seek to show us The Way. But your comment, above, gives you away (though I know you do not see it). I must move ever close to God. I cannot follow you. And, so, I won't. That's all from me. Take care. I understand , you talk out of your ignorance of the scriptures : 6:14 Do not become partners21 with those who do not believe, for what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 6:15 And what agreement does Christ have with Beliar?22 Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? 6:16 And what mutual agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are23 the temple of the living God, just as God said, “I will live in them24 and will walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”25 6:17 Therefore “come out from their midst, and be separate,” says the Lord, “and touch no unclean thing,26 and I will welcome27 you,28 6:18 and I will be a father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters,”29 says the All-Powerful Lord.30 |
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Post by corab on Jun 11, 2008 21:31:36 GMT
I think the price for the Grand Stand ticket just went up.
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Post by droche on Jun 11, 2008 21:34:03 GMT
We do not have to come up with a web site. You came here; we didn't ask you to come here. When you get right down to it, I don't think anyone here really cares what you think of Freemasonry. I know I don't. I think I can say with confidence that no Mason here is going to be bothered if your opinion is not changed about Freemasonry. If you want to continue participating in this discussion, the onus is on you, not us. My own personal opinion is that Masons here continue to participate in the discussion because it is so easy to refute all of these anti-Masonic arguments that you propagate. Like I said in a previous post, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, or however that saying goes. So don't fool yourself into thinking that we really care how you think of Freemasonry. Most of us are aware that there always have been people like you and that there always will be. I am under no illusion that your views will change; I don't think that many, if any, other Masons in this discussion think so as well. from : www.ephesians5-11.org/dodson.htmIts true nature is not readily apparent as many fine people do belong to this organization, and of course it is involved in various charitable activities which also give it an appearance of being an upstanding organization. But there is a saying that you can't judge a book by its "cover" (how appropriate a word in this case), and Freemasonry must be understood not by its cover but by the philosophy, teachings, and spiritual forces which lie behind it. From the above account, you have seen in a personal story how Freemasonry was Satan's Trojan horse, having given him access into two churches without any alarms being sounded. Freemasonry is a very useful tool since it usually goes undetected and yet is still able to inflict its damage. This Trojan horse can expose an individual and a church to the powers of darkness because of its occultic nature and its false gospel, both of which are not readily apparent to most of its initiates. It can therefore serve as a damper on the Holy Spirit and can quench His work in both an individual and a congregation. It can stunt an individual's spiritual growth if he is truly born again, and it can keep men from a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ if they are not truly regenerate. Sadly, its impact and effectiveness are greatly enhanced because it is not a kosher issue to address in our day, politically incorrect if you will. On an individual basis, nearly all of my minister colleagues are silent on this issue, some afraid to speak out, others not knowledgeable enough about the issue to be concerned. At the denominational level (Southern Baptist Convention), there was an opportunity in 1993 to address this issue, but it was badly botched as a very weak study was published and a compromised position was adopted. But it's not just the S.B.C. that is failing to deal with this issue, there are other denominations which are silent as well. Also few independent ministries address this either. It's as if almost the whole Church is in bondage to this stronghold. How sad? In conclusion, read the following words spoken by Adrian Rogers because they explain my attitude about truth, whether it relates to Freemasonry or some other issue: "It is better to be divided by truth than united in error; it is better to speak truth that hurts and then heals than to speak a lie; it is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie; it is better to stand alone with truth than to be wrong with the multitude."Huh? The only specific thing on this site that specifically states a reason to be against Freemasonry is when it says that Christ's theology is exclusive while Freemasonry's "theology" (even though Freemasonry does not have a theology) is inclusive. A lot of religious scholars, non-Masons included would disagree with that. He mentions a verse in Timothy that purports to be against Freemasonry but he doesn't say how. He says that Freemasonry is "Satan's Trojan Horse, but he doesn't say how. He mentions a verse in Genesis but that doesn't relate to anything about Freemasonry. His whole page just tells of the troubles he had with Masons in his church. Well, I can see why. If a new minister came to my church and started railing against the Masons I'd be mad too. It's like I said previously- a spiritual leader to my mind should build up, not tear down as this clergyman obviously had done. The main point is, though, that apart from a very questionable theological principle, this site does not mention any specifics as to why Freemasonry is bad. As usual, you bring nothiong new to the table. |
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Post by imakegarb on Jun 11, 2008 21:34:28 GMT
Ah, my fellow traveler in this world, if you knew me better . . .  As I said, out of mercy and compassion I will not debate with you. I am, however, a moderator here. As a courtesy, I must ask you to begin citing your sources. I know you've not been cautioned about this before but, truly, it's only polite. If you pull information from another website, please say so and give them credit. To do otherwise is stealing and I'm sure I don't need to tell you that's wrong. Also, while the Bible is not copyrighted, it's proper to name your text. As an Evangelical, you should know that. In the above case, it's 2 Corinthians 6:14-29. Which, I think, you would do well to read as it speaks to you. These are questions for you to ponder. Which, I suppose, is why God placed this text before you. Take care. |
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Post by droche on Jun 11, 2008 21:36:19 GMT
but let us come to the details, to the facts. Yes, please do. We have been asking you to do that for over 650 posts now... |
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Post by sid on Jun 11, 2008 21:47:24 GMT
Greetings, - why there are rituals - these link us with each other and the past. They also contain such messages that we need to drive into ourselves such as "helping poor and distressed masons, widows and orphans.. might you cite a homepage, which describes such a ritual ? i would like to give a closer look at. might you show me a page which shows these symbols. I would like to give a closer look at. why should freemasonry be needed for that ? so why are there things, a freemason should never reveal to a non freemason ? wheter do want I. ;D If a person is looking for an enemy, then they have not found peace in Christ. With so much noise in the world today, I fail to see the purpose of this futile bashing exercise here. If you were at peace with both yourself and your personal landscape in life there would be absolutly no need for an attack on/against Masonry and Freemasons. Nothing new here, or under the sun for that matter, and this to will pass. PS: Could I have the 666 th post, please? To close, I shall listen to the Masonic music of Mozart and read again the words written therein ... |
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Post by leonardo on Jun 11, 2008 22:05:20 GMT
For what, may I ask By the way, Karen, good to see you back We're dealing with the messanger of the false god, do the math. Thanks. But no need to as Max was kind enough to explain. |
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