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Post by paulh on Feb 4, 2009 22:02:46 GMT
Bad things happen, often randomly. That is the way of existance. That seems to me the core of the blue pill position: - The human mind is basically pure but bad things happen randomly The red pill position is more like: - The human mind attracts many colonizers and it is a struggle of lifetimes for the human to gain control. Thus much of the crime of individuals and nations is symptomatic of dark colonization of the human mind. How would one go about investigating the validity of either position? It seems to me a blue pill belief system does not really give an obvious starting point. While the red pill adherent would look immediately for anomalous events such as out-of-sequence thoughts or coincidence of headaches with particular types of actions or thoughts |
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Post by maat on Feb 4, 2009 22:27:42 GMT
 paulh - you are quite 'talented' aren't you ...
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Post by paulh on Feb 4, 2009 22:57:15 GMT
paulh - you are quite 'talented' aren't you ...  |
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Post by paulh on Feb 5, 2009 3:22:40 GMT
I wonder if fuzzy logic will ever influence philosophy "Fuzzy logic has been applied to diverse fields, from control theory to artificial intelligence, yet still remains controversial among most statisticians, who prefer Bayesian logic,[citation needed] and some control engineers, who prefer traditional two-valued logic" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy_logic |
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Post by paulh on Feb 5, 2009 22:10:17 GMT
As we have considered, binary logic is active at the lowest frequencies of the mind. If the mental space fills an octave then binary logic is on the note Do.
For example, if I drive towards an unfamiliar T junction then I can turn either left or right with no other options.
But if I lift my mental functioning to the note Re then I discover that I can just stop and wait or return whence I came.
And if I lift my mental functioning to the note Mi (where common sense operates) I can get the map out of the glove box or ask a passer-by which road to take.
If I lift my mental functioning to the note Fa (where the boundary between animate and inanimate blurs) then I can see which road my car would prefer or look to see if the natural environment has clues.
If I lift my mental function up 2 notes to La (where connections to the Divine Mind become conscious) I can detect whether either road has dharmic properties for me
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Post by maat on Feb 5, 2009 22:31:50 GMT
If I lift my mental function up 2 notes to La (where connections to the Divine Mind become conscious) I can detect whether either road has dharmic properties for me If you were in La land wouldn't one be a tad omniscient and know what to do? Is La is the ladder to Do?  Maat |
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Post by paulh on Feb 5, 2009 22:55:57 GMT
Certainly at the note La one's actions become more likely to be appropriate but it is three octaves further before a Mason cannot err
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Post by maximus on Feb 6, 2009 13:10:09 GMT
IMO Fuzzy thinking has always influenced if not dominated philosophy. Fuzziness does have its advantages... Tends to cushion reality.  |
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Post by paulh on Feb 7, 2009 0:54:20 GMT
That does seem to presume the owner of the mind. The human mind is easily colonised as the history demonstrates many times - nazism, the children's crusade, managerialism, witch burnings, the belief that humans are the primary intelligent lifeform, Reaganomics - and any number of maniacs with voices in their heads |
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Post by whistler on Feb 10, 2009 17:57:06 GMT
Hi Maat - I am off to Melbourne for the weekend - you might guess why Re Now - I can understand where you are coming from with that type of thinking, but how does someone like Hitler fit into the scheme of things? He is blameless, just an innocent tool?
No I don't think he was an innocent tool - I am quite happy that He was on the earth plain at that time and behaved in the way he did for a reason that was decided before he was born Hitler made a conscious, volitional choice to act as he did. No need to ascribe his actions to some grand scheme dreamed up by an imaginary sky-fairy. Bad things happen, often randomly. That is the way of existance. Look Back through the history of mankind that "Sky-fairy" has always provided a "Hitler" at intervals of time - the size of the operation of those "Hitlers" have been related to the world at its time. Each time the "Hitler" has operated a shift in the dynamics of Mankind on all levels have occurred. Just Speculate what the world might be like today if World War 2, or Genghis Khan had not battled, Te Rauparaha. had not raided. Christopher Columbus on his discovery of the Taíno people on the island of Guanahani in the Bahamas wrote, "I could conquer the whole of them with fifty men and govern them as I please" - and he proceeded to do just that. Had that Pesky Sky-fairy not been busy, how would the world be now. |
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Post by paulh on Feb 10, 2009 22:35:53 GMT
Present company excepted? Well that is an interesting question. In my life I have met maybe 5 humans without colonised minds - but I moved in specialised circles for a while so I doubt that free humans are nearly that common. The metaphor occurs to me of an unprotected computer connected to the internet. After a few hours it will be compromised and before too many days recruited into various botnets for propagation of spam and worms. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BotnetOf course the intelligent owner of a computer is quite diligent about protection and may even go to sites designed to test defences. The human owner of the mind however is much less wary and may even take pride in taking no defensive measures at all - as instructed by one of the colonising entities. One of the characteristics of the colonised mind is the speed with which dangerous ideas are airbrushed out. For example, earlier in this thread I gave two symptoms of colonisation that are easily detected. How long did that knowledge remain in the consciousness of the reader? 10 seconds? How could a test of such a critical state be forgotten so quickly? But to give readers another chance I will make a statement that should be airbrushed out by colonising entities. Readers may like to observe the process. The statement is: - Humans who cannot control their mental reactions are almost certainly colonised. Now a human appreciating the import of the statement would watch their thoughts during the day to detect mental reaction. The colonised mind however will not really understand the concept of "mental reaction" and will slide past it and quickly airbrush it out of the memory. I await reports with interest |
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Post by whistler on Feb 11, 2009 2:54:44 GMT
The statement is:
- Humans who cannot control their mental reactions are almost certainly colonised.
Now a human appreciating the import of the statement would watch their thoughts during the day to detect mental reaction.
The colonised mind however will not really understand the concept of "mental reaction" and will slide past it and quickly airbrush it out of the memory.
Hi Paul,
I have never heard of colonised minds, and mental reaction -
I guess I have been colonised -
Doesn't worry me too much -
If it is connected with If it is an article of FAITH, it requires no testing; no evidence for or against is what makes any article an article of FAITH!
Well I have been successfully I have been well an truely brushed .
What on earth do you mean by "Control of mental reactions"
I guess mine was with a wallpaper brush rather than an airbrush
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Post by maximus on Feb 11, 2009 3:28:41 GMT
What exactly are you referring to when you state that the mind is colinized? Do you mean that it is easily influenced by ideas, or that it is literally taken over by some nebulous outside force? If the former, I would tend to agree, if the latter, I would say total nonsense.
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Post by maximus on Feb 11, 2009 5:03:44 GMT
He's talking about "Memes" aka "Thought Viruses" but he has put "entification" twist into the mix and claims it is an invasion from the outside. The only problem is that it's all from the outside! Indeed. Hard to decipher sometimes with all the mystical mumbo-jumbo mixed in. I've found that the more obscure one is in one's language, the weaker the ideas one is attempting to convey. Inquiring minds want to know. Straight-forward explanation, please, if you don't mind. |
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Post by maat on Feb 11, 2009 22:53:37 GMT
He's talking about "Memes" aka "Thought Viruses" but he has put "entification" twist into the mix and claims it is an invasion from the outside. The only problem is that it's all from the outside! Indeed. Hard to decipher sometimes with all the mystical mumbo-jumbo mixed in. I've found that the more obscure one is in one's language, the weaker the ideas one is attempting to convey. Inquiring minds want to know. Straight-forward explanation, please, if you don't mind. Like the straight forward explanation of the Theory of Relativity? Maat |
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Post by paulh on Feb 12, 2009 5:53:28 GMT
What exactly are you referring to when you state that the mind is colinized? Historically small groups of technically advanced beings have often taken over (colonised) large areas of the planet dominating the local populations. Once established the colonisers generally run propaganda and educational campaigns to reduce resistance The same principle of colonisation occurs at various levels of existence. Quite so. The proposition necessarily makes non sense if colonisers of the human minds have successful educational programs I have provided some simple tests for the situation that seem to be producing a few positive results Eph 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world But do we wrestle or are we a pacified population? |
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Post by maximus on Feb 12, 2009 11:52:38 GMT
Eph 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world The only darkness we wrestle with is ignorance and superstition.  |
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Post by paulh on Feb 12, 2009 12:44:23 GMT
The only darkness we wrestle with is ignorance and superstition. Is that a matter of faith? |
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Post by maximus on Feb 12, 2009 13:04:34 GMT
The only darkness we wrestle with is ignorance and superstition. Is that a matter of faith? No. Faith is belief in things unseen and unproven. We can certainly see ignorance and superstition in the world, unfortunatly. |
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Post by paulh on Feb 12, 2009 22:07:21 GMT
The only darkness we wrestle with is ignorance and superstition. I leave aside your interesting implication that you can prove (or at least believe) a negative - that there is no other type of darkness Am I correct in thinking that you consider that if only Germany had had a better education system then the Nazi era could never have happened? |
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paulh - you are quite 'talented' aren't you ... 
