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Post by hollandr on Sept 19, 2008 23:41:48 GMT
Philip
Perhaps a white flag might be more useful
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:45:37 GMT
My experience is that spiritual science does exist. I have practiced it and taught it, both with modest success for 30 years How do you measure the success of your practice and teachings? Especially when for you "spiritual" involves alienation, plurality and division!?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 19, 2008 23:46:23 GMT
Philip
Perhaps a white flag might be more useful For whom?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 0:33:11 GMT
In ancient times there were Mysteries restricted to women and even today in Australia the indigenous population have "secret women's business" Please elaborate.Since Bro. Russell has chosen not to elaborate, here is my take on his bald assertion. One needs specify the mysteries to which one refers, to understand their purpose and the context in which they were set and the context in which they were interpreted by antiquarians and anthropologists (who often brought their own preconceptions). Even in egalitarian societies there were often different ceremonies to fascilitate adolecence for females and males, because of their different experience of this transition and subsequent, gender specific milestones such as childbirth. Other ceremonies however were, in such societies, usually inclusive. Even where different ceremonies were used for boys and girls, both men and women usually participated. As I wrote elsewhere:
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:11:35 GMT
>Please share with me an example of lower and higher 'energies'.
If you look at your hand against a dark background you may be able to see a misty fringe around it. That is etheric energy.
When you get a new idea that is mental energy.
The etheric is lower frequency.
You can test this by using your mental intent to increase the width of etheric energy around your hand
I am sure you can discover plenty on the web
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:11:49 GMT
>That raises the question, what is spirit?
That is an excellent question. Perhaps you might like to start a thread
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 20, 2008 1:14:45 GMT
Other than in academic contexts it is very rare for a woman to ask for a definition. This may indicate the female mental processes are distinct from male. Perhaps you have put your finger on it without realizing it. Bro. Russell, I am a scholar. I also happen to be woman. I seek definitions all the fraggin' time. Not because I'm a woman (I'd likely do it if I were a man) but because I'm a scholar. It's what we do ;D Which suggests it's not my gender but what I do. Which further suggests that trying to pigeon hole women in one area and men in another is futile. On any plane. Now I rather suspect you'll be trapped in this esoteric box of yours until you figure it out for yourself but I do believe you will. I'm certainly rooting for you
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:15:19 GMT
>women are said to be the ultimate source of these mysteries!
Good point Philip
Can we then conclude that women are closer to spirit than men?
My ex-wife used to tell me that women had never left the grail castle
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:18:07 GMT
> I seek definitions all the fraggin' time.... because I'm a scholar.
I agree: "Other than in academic contexts it is very rare for a woman to ask for a definition."
The female mental process tends to be more experiential than methodical
This is a most useful strategy when knowledge is limited
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Post by imakegarb on Sept 20, 2008 1:20:33 GMT
So are you suggesting I'm fighting my own gender instincts to be a scholar?
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 1:24:11 GMT
I think that the assertion that women are closer to "spirit" than men is a blind. Our souls have no gender, and we have experienced lifetimes as both sexes. Women seem to be able to touch the Divine easier because, in general, they are, in thier current incarnation, more in touch with the emotional component in thier makeup (in general, there are always exceptions). Emotion is one of the keys to accessing altered states of consciousness.
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 1:25:07 GMT
This is a most useful strategy when knowledge is limited This seems rather sexist.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:28:11 GMT
>So are you suggesting I'm fighting my own gender instincts to be a scholar?
It may be of use to master both male and female techniques on any plane of existence
This allows us more adaptability in dealing with situations
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 1:30:30 GMT
>Women seem to be able to touch the Divine easier
Are there any other levels of existence with which women are in more touch?
We know that men generally are much better with machines?
And we know that women are more sensitive to relationships
What else?
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 1:31:45 GMT
It may be of use to master both male and female techniques on any plane of existence This allows us more adaptability in dealing with situations It would be if gender had any importance on the Inner Planes, which it does not.
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 1:39:11 GMT
>Women seem to be able to touch the Divine easier Are there any other levels of existence with which women are in more touch? We know that men generally are much better with machines? And we know that women are more sensitive to relationships What else? You've taken this out of context and used it to direct the conversation in another direction. Allow me to ask a question Bro. Russell: What is the ultimate purpose of The Great Work? What is the object of the exercise in your view?
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 2:05:13 GMT
>women are said to be the ultimate source of these mysteries!
Good point Philip
Can we then conclude that women are closer to spirit than men? Well that is certainly turning my intended point on its head!? I was referring to the "just so" explanation given. I see the tradition as an attempt to emblematically fill in gaps in the male experience on the physical plane, to emphasize that although men may not in this manifestation give birth etc., at the spiritual level we share a common condition with women. Thus, I do not share your conclusion.
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Post by maximus on Sept 20, 2008 2:17:54 GMT
So are you suggesting I'm fighting my own gender instincts to be a scholar? Remember what they did to Hypatia...
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Post by Tamrin on Sept 20, 2008 2:20:06 GMT
>Women seem to be able to touch the Divine easier
Are there any other levels of existence with which women are in more touch?
We know that men generally are much better with machines?
And we know that women are more sensitive to relationships
What else? Elsewhere I wrote:I feel similarly regarding your seemingly patronising opinion of women and am reminded of Cornelia Otis Skinner having said, Woman's virtue is man's greatest invention.
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Post by hollandr on Sept 20, 2008 2:24:56 GMT
>What is the ultimate purpose of The Great Work?
I have limited experience there but on occasions other beings approach and depending upon the circumstances and their intent:
- provide substance to build light bodies (human and planetary) - provide patterning that provides pathways for energy transfer from cosmic levels - provide patterning that contains skills and knowledge for the recipient (or sometimes for transfer) - anchor permanent flows in the planet - enable cosmic entities to enter into more intimate relationship with the planet and/or the solar system.
I dare say there is much I have yet to see including the higher analogue to the human process
And I would not claim my experience is at all typical of humans
I might also note that there is a close relationship to the FPOF
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