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Post by waynecowley on Aug 17, 2007 15:08:44 GMT
Looks very nice - where is that in relation to I-drive or the 192 ? That is where I suspect I will be most of the time
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Post by bod on Aug 17, 2007 15:09:34 GMT
Besides, it doesn't really get him anywhere nearer what he wants, I get the impression he is looking to form a new lodge that would still be a regular, recognised lodge, just not under the confines of GL of Florida, unfortunately that isn't a possibility for all the reasons mentioned previously
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Post by Blackadder on Aug 17, 2007 17:23:43 GMT
Bod you are 100% correct ,we will just have to live with it.
Wayne I would be about 10 mins drive from I Drive , 192 is a long road so I suspect you will be staying close to Disney so that would be about a 20 drive. Im kinda inbetween both roads,i will mapquest it when I get home.
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Post by brandt on Aug 17, 2007 17:47:35 GMT
We have choices to make. "What came you here to do?" is a question that we should revisit on a regular basis.
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Post by waynecowley on Aug 17, 2007 18:32:15 GMT
We will be a little to teh East of Old Town Kissimmee
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Post by bod on Aug 17, 2007 19:44:42 GMT
Ah yes, Brother Tim, he distributes his articles in the section at the bottom - he does appear to have had a bit of a run in with the powers that be. I guess the questions you have to ask yourself is 'Can I change this from within the organisation" and "Do I want to", and only you can know the true answers to those.
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Post by leonardo on Aug 17, 2007 19:51:19 GMT
GOdF, I hadn't thought of that as I didn't know they were active in the USA. Now there's an idea? Isn't LDH somehow affiliated to GOdF?
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Post by lauderdale on Aug 17, 2007 21:27:49 GMT
We have Fraternal Relations and can intervisit each others Lodges. (see the details on the LDH website).
However LDH is an Independent Masonic Body, we are not part of GOdF, so we are not "affiliated" per se.
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Post by corab on Aug 17, 2007 21:41:59 GMT
GOdF, I hadn't thought of that as I didn't know they were active in the USA. Now there's an idea? Isn't LDH somehow affiliated to GOdF? After a manner of speaking -- we signed a dual membership treaty with them back in May.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Aug 17, 2007 22:43:11 GMT
I dont think that is quite what he is looking for, but nice advert! Why not? It sounds as if this Brother has a lean twards traidtional Freemasonry. That is exactly what the Grand Orient Of France is all about. The Grand Orient Of France is beautiful, just as the true Craft is beautiful. I see nothing wrong with steering a brother twards each and every option.
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Post by thedixiemason on Aug 17, 2007 23:12:43 GMT
If he were not already obligated, I might could agree... But, he has taken his obligation under the Grand Lodge of Florida, and should remain true to that obligation.
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Post by jmd on Aug 18, 2007 0:08:58 GMT
And what would such an obligation be that would prevent him from resigning from a Lodge under GLFlorida and joining instead another Lodge in another jurisdiction??? Mind you, from the acquiescence of Bro. Tim Bryce to cease to publish his own essays on Freemasonic aspects that do not reveal the secrets (I would have told them, not so politely, to jump!), it is a concern as to what kind of obligation could possibly be required in that constitution!
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Post by thedixiemason on Aug 18, 2007 0:26:19 GMT
Without going into the specifics of the obligation... I'm pretty sure the GLoFL considers many of these other "masonic" groups to be "Clandestine."
Even if you demit, or resign, the obligation before God remains with you til death. So, participating in the initiation, passing, or raising of someone in a "clandestine" lodge would be a violation of the previous obligation.
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Post by jmd on Aug 18, 2007 0:37:35 GMT
That's a pretty overly strong dogmatic interpretation of the obligation, I would have thought! ...and how would the GLFlo. consider its earlier amity with the GLF, then?
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Post by thedixiemason on Aug 18, 2007 0:43:44 GMT
JMD, I don't think it is an "overly strong" interpretation. I think it is a very straight forward interpretation.
I'm confused about the initials of GLFlo and GLF.... but my answer is, I don't know.
Typically a Grand Lodge will issue a list of Masonic bodies it recognizes, or doesn't recognize or considers to be clandestine.
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Post by Blackadder on Aug 18, 2007 0:49:19 GMT
Tonight after a night of "Vice" , two pints of Guinness. Myself and partner in crime received a pep talk from someone(my wife).She said "you guys are so passionate about Masonry but not they way it is practiced in Florida,so why dont you try to change it from within ,one day at a time",We already talked about this but thought things wouldn't change quick enough for us.I know we are impatient but the only way we can save the situation is to grab the bull by the horns,nothing ventured ,nothing gained. Another thing what made us take notice was the SW who was standing in for the WM last week , we have never seen anything so bad in all our lives,it really was funny,he even had cheat sheets ,what ever happened to ,print paint ,cut ,carve etc. Up ward on onward I say But this might change later this week as we are having an officers meeting and my partner in crime should be voted JW but the WM wants one of his mates from another Lodge as JW, but this my Friend & Brother who is well respected and would win a vote. In fact we thought about who would be a better WM than the SW, we thought of many people but next year might be fun and very Monty Pythonesque. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by thedixiemason on Aug 18, 2007 0:56:07 GMT
Hey, I'm going to have some wine tonight! I might even drink the whole bottle....
I do not have a problem with people having the odd drink.
What I was saying before about "vice" is that I don't think that gambling and drinking should be the method of attracting new members. Do you?
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Post by Blackadder on Aug 18, 2007 1:05:00 GMT
No one ever mentioned anything about attracting new Brothers thought vice,thats was your interpretation no one elses. Brother Dixie your ideas about vices seem better suited for the Baptist Church,so much for the "land of the Free"
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Post by thedixiemason on Aug 18, 2007 1:11:01 GMT
I am a Master Mason from Florida USA,I was raised in December 2006.I am currently the Jnr. Steward in my lodge.I don't know if you know anything about lodges in USA ,to cut a long story short they are dying a slow and painful death,we as Masons are not allowed to do anything in the lodges ,no Masonic education to speak of,no alcohol.no raffles,no games of chance ,you name it and we are not allowed to do it.A great number of the newer Master Masons have become disgruntled with the situation here in Florida. I am originally from Dundee Scotland and know a great number of Masons in the Tayside area who visit Florida and they are stunned that we have such a big lodge and nothing is permitted. Here is my big question ,would it be possible to open a Scottish Constitution Lodge in Florida? I know the Grand Lodge of Florida will say it will be a clandestine Lodge if we do open a Lodge in Florida,but a great number of States still don't recognize Prince Hall Masons,which is a disgrace as I have met a great number of Prince Hall Masons here in Orlando who are upright men and Masons. You are the one who implied it on your very first post!
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Post by Blackadder on Aug 18, 2007 1:13:56 GMT
Implied what?
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