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Post by bod on May 16, 2006 21:07:47 GMT
I didn't think lodges could insist on black tie only anymore? As UGLE has sanctioned the craft tie as acceptable to wear ion craft lodges, either black or craft or province is acceptable.
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Post by bod on May 16, 2006 20:55:52 GMT
He may have been a member at the time, but he ain't no more.
The design thatwon the competition is the blue craft tie with the s&c, as I don't wish to be mistaken for an undertaker or an extra from the Blues Brothers I wear the craft tie.
There is a real risk in freemasonry that the reason for a custom gets lost and what starts out as a custom intended to be for a few years only, then becomes a tradition, which people feel can't change. The imutable stuff in freemasonry is obvious, the rest of it is dust and ashes.
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Post by bod on May 20, 2006 16:28:29 GMT
Know bugger all about Hitlers esoteric bent, but back on topic, found this article: Flower of Scotland or God Save the King? Ever wondered why Scottish folk prefer to sing the words to the recently written Flower of Scotland rather than the traditional national anthem God Save the King? Could it have something to do with the little known sixth verse of the national anthem …? 6. Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the King! So who was this Marshal Wade, and who where the ‘Rebellious Scots’ that he was crushing? General George WadeMarshal Wade was in fact the British Field Marshal, George Wade. George was born in 1673, the son of Jerome Wade of Kilavally, Westmeath in Ireland and he entered the British Army in 1690. Rising quickly through the ranks, Wade became captain in 1695. In 1702 he served in Marlborough's army, earning particular distinction at the assault on the citadel of Lk'ge, and in 1703 he became successively Major and Lieutenant-Colonel in his regiment. Wade again distinguished himself at the Siege of Alcantara in 1706, when in a rearguard action at Villa Nova his two battalions repulsed twenty-two allied squadrons. He had now risen to the command of a brigade, and in January 1708 he was promoted Brigadier-General in the British Army. In August 1710 following the great battle of Saragossa he was promoted to the rank of Major-General and given a command at home. The Jacobite outbreak of 1715 saw Wade in his new role of military governor. He twice helped foil Jacobite conspiracies, and even had the Swedish ambassador in London arrested. In July 1724 General Wade was sent to Scotland on a military mission for George I. In the uncertainty following the 1689 and 1715 Jacobite Risings, he was tasked to 'inspect the present situation of the Highlanders' and to 'make strict inquiry into the last law for disarming the Highlanders'. Wade reported back that the majority of Highland men able to bear arms were ready to do so against the Crown. George I immediately appointed Wade Commander-in-Chief, North Britain and he began to organise Crown garrisons in the Highlands. Wade's plan was to mobilize his soldiers throughout the Highlands, quelling, disarming and forming allegiances with the clans as he went. To do this he needed to move his troops about quickly, and by the summer 1725 the first military road was being constructed. Between 1728 and 1730, Wade's men built the road from Dunkeld to Inverness, connecting Perth and Inverness. In 1730 the road connecting Stirling with Inverness was constructed. Passing from Crieff through the Sma' Glen and Aberfeldy and on to Loch Tummel, the road's line remains the same today. With the road complete, Wade needed to bridge the River Tay at Aberfeldy. Construction of the Tay bridge began in 1733 and although it was completed in under a year, Wade wrote 'The Bridge of Tay ...was a work of great difficulty and also much more expensive than was calculated.' At a cost of over £4000, the bridge became the most expensive item on Wade's road building programme. Promotion finally ended Wade's work in Scotland and he left the Highlands in 1740, handing over the road-building projects to Major William Caulfield. In the course of this engineering work Wade had supervised the construction of no less than 240 miles of roads and 40 stone bridges. At the same time as the building work had progressed, slowly and with the tact and experience of a seasoned campaigner, he had disarmed the clans. By 1739 Wade's Highland militia had become the Black Watch, a regular regiment of the British Army which is commemorated by a memorial beside Wade's fine Tay Bridge. It was in 1743 that Wade gained the rank of Field Marshal and in this same year he commanded the British contingent in Flanders. The campaign did not go well and Wade, who was seventy years of age and in bad health, resigned the command in March 1744. Wade returned to England where George II made him Commander-in-Chief to England, and it was in this role that he had to deal with the Jacobite ‘Forty-Five’ rebellion. After failing to anticipate Charles Edward Stuart’s invading army arriving via Carlisle rather than Newcastle he retired in favour of Cumberland, or as the Highlanders would remember him ‘Butcher’ Cumberland. Charles Edward Stuart And so perhaps understandably the Scots prefer to remember an earlier battle, one remembered in the words of Flower of Scotland, written by Roy Williamson of "The Corries", but that is another story … O Flower of Scotland, When will we see Your like again, That fought and died for, Your wee bit Hill and Glen, And stood against him, Proud Edward's Army, And sent him homeward, Tae think again. Possibly a twist of irony then to note that it is claimed that the first public performance of the God Save the King national anthem is said to have taken place in London in 1745 … 1. God save our gracious King, Long live our noble King, God save the King! Send him victorious, Happy and glorious, Long to reign over us; God save the King! This text and tune is often credited to Henry Carey, 1740, although there is some controversy surrounding this claim. According to one French encyclopaedia, Quid, the music is in fact by one Jean-Baptiste Lully. It was loosely based on a hymn sung when the French King Louis XIV opened the educational institution at St-Cyr in 1686; his mistress, the Marquise de Maintenon, had commissioned Lully to write the tune to be sung by the pupils. The French, apparently, did not use the hymn again until 1745 at which time the Old Pretender, claiming to be King James III of England, was organising his rebellion from France. Madame de Maintenon is said to have presented him with the words and music as his national or royal anthem. It is unclear who wrote the English words, but it is believed that Madame de Maintenon either wrote them herself or commissioned them. It is also believed by some that the song was sung for the first time in Britain when Bonnie Prince Charlie landed in Scotland so starting the ‘Forty-five’ rebellion. So what’s it to be, Flower of Scotland or God Save the King? © HUK www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/Scotland-History/FlowerofScotland.htm
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Post by bod on May 19, 2006 8:27:02 GMT
No, they played GSTQ because the competition is run by the English FA, even if Cardiff & Swansea were to be in the match they would play GSTQ, as you will be able to witness when the play off take place this weekend and GSTQ will be played, even tho Swansea are a Welsh team, they play in the English FA.
Jerusalem would be a good choice, altho 'When Will I be Famous?' by 'Bros' is probably more appropriate these days....
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Post by bod on May 18, 2006 22:47:45 GMT
Pride is much maligned emotion, it needs a decent publicist.
I don't have any problem toasting the Queen, more than happy to, as often as you like. I just wish that England had a seperate national anthem like Wales & Scotland do, then we could make GSTQ the British anthem proper and be done with it.
I was in Cardiff for the FA cup final and they didn't play the Welsh national anthem, they played GSTQ, and have done for the last 6 years....
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Post by bod on May 20, 2006 18:11:51 GMT
Hi Karen, good to see you here.
If I remember correctly it is the US GL's that tend to feature that particular one, there is a sentence in the Landmarks above refering to the make up of a lodge :-
The persons made Masons and admitted members of a lodge must be good and true men, free born, and of a mature and discreet age and sound judgment, no bondsmen, no women, no immoral or scandalous men, but of good report.
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Post by bod on May 20, 2006 16:32:21 GMT
Various wars before them would also have led to a softening of attitudes.
Quite often 17th & 18th C slaves and criminals were marked (mutilated) to distinguish them from the 'norm' - maybe this is where the landmark stems from?
Either way, it really is irrelevant these days., and as Bro Bill mentioned I don't know of any GL that upholds it.
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Post by bod on May 18, 2006 22:49:21 GMT
The Temple & the Lodge
Goes into the KT thing in some detail, Baigent & Leah again If i rermber right
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Post by bod on May 25, 2006 23:22:12 GMT
Technically they can't start looking until they have a vacancy.... The internal investigation and the outcomes from that will determine what happens next. In fact that's the last line of the last comment on the matter from UGLE: The disciplinary process is continuing, and steps to appoint a Grand Secretary will not be taken until after it is completed.
There will no doubt be someone 'filling in', all organisations have succession plans for senior roles (or should have!), and the office of Grand Secretary in the wider context is more than one man, the function is still there.
As to the process of deciding who will fill the role in future the BOC states that : The Grand Secretary shall be appointed by the Grand Master as a vacancy occurs, and therafter annually at the annual installation of The Grand Master.
So if you get your letter in quick, those of you who are interested I'm sure he will give it his fullest attention.... ;D
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Post by bod on May 25, 2006 22:12:09 GMT
Gio - don't fall into the trap of thinking all is rotten in the state of UGLE - its much better than Stewart and the massed ranks of dementors will have you believe.
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Post by bod on May 4, 2006 21:05:39 GMT
Good luck for Saturday, hope you enjoy your day.
In the UK the 32nd & 33rd degrees are held by a VERY small number of people, unlike the AASR in the US where attaining 32 & 33 is fairly common, in the UK they are awarded for services to the AASR and it is unusual to see anyone under 60 with either. Also the number of people allowed to hold 32 & 33 under the UK AASR consitution is limited.
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Post by bod on May 4, 2006 21:06:18 GMT
The buggers come out of the woodwork when you start tapping don't they......he he
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Post by bod on May 20, 2006 16:23:44 GMT
Congratulations Monty, from what I have seen and heard this order is a very worthwhile addition to the Masonic family, long may you enjoy it.
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Post by bod on May 3, 2006 23:49:15 GMT
Congratulations monty, I spoke to one of the GO's from this order when I was last at MMH, sounds very interesting!
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Post by bod on May 4, 2006 21:52:11 GMT
Stewart, no need to apologise to me.
I have no issue with what the GM said, being a freemason is a recent event for me, but I've been acting as one without really knowing it since I was a little bod.
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Post by bod on May 3, 2006 22:24:28 GMT
Wow - so many questions about the photos!
OK - they are hosted on imageshack, and there is a limit on the resolution and size, and I also need to fit in with the forum limitations. I'll see what I can manage tonight.
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 10:17:09 GMT
An excellent evening - hope you all got back to Brighton safely. MP - thanks for inviting us all along - I had a great time as did everyone I spoke to. Various photos Motley Crew Peter & John, with Dave in the background The new WM and the ex- DC The new WM seeing his personal drinks stash for the first time Guy & Forester deep inconversation about some of the more esoteric aspects..... ;D Thomas & Peter talking with John Our genial host and ex DC in full swing The full list Huw, George, Bill (admin), Doug, John Ando, Royston, Forester, John, Staffs, Peter John & Thomas from Denmark, Guy, Cliff M, Cliff F, Terry J, Andy B, Dave T-S, Rowan, middlepillar & me.
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Post by bod on May 4, 2006 21:03:34 GMT
This was just what I was looking for Harmony, so if it’s ok with you I will use this quote elsewhere. Yes Bod you did come across a little sharply if I misread you then sorry, no I don't know a whole lot about Masonry, as I have only been one for approximately 3 years. It is in the field of metaphysics that I have more expertise here I have been dabbling for 30 years, but I am pretty sure we have had this conversation before. To those who are interested heres an other little titbit I came across . There are African American lodges, in the eighteen hundreds some of these brethren were part of the Cavalry and known as buffalo soldiers, so called by native American Indians after their dark skins, tight curly hair and courage in battle. But one of the first hings we learn in freemasonry is that it is NOT a religion nor is it aligned with a religion. The PH lodges in the US are a historic phenomenon in they're own right and not really a parallel with any percieved 'segregation' of freemasons lodges.
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Post by bod on May 4, 2006 21:00:22 GMT
Good question, Yoki, and a valid point, we sholuld always be cautious.
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 18:12:23 GMT
Not in a bad mood Yoki - you read me wrong! I was suprised at the original phrasing knowing how informed you are about masonry, sorry if it came across as bad tempered. I personally know several brothers under UGLE who are also followers of Islam.
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