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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 1:44:50 GMT
Yoki - Mormonism was started by a guy who was a mason at one point, and apparently they have used quite a lot of masonic ritual for their 'Temple Rites'. yes he blatantly copied them, no its not an offshoot and has nothing to do with masonry per se.
As for your other question - think about it, freemasons lodges are not allied with ANY religion, so therefore there is no such thing as a 'muslim' lodge.
The one notable exception would be the Swedish Rite which does require a Christian belief for membership.
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 18:14:00 GMT
I've found that many people have no idea of what freemasonry really is - so I keep to honesty about what it means to me and what I get out of it.
I would make sure you are stationary before telling him tho - wouldn't want to cause a crash!
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Post by bod on May 6, 2006 9:00:04 GMT
"There is a great deal of speculation," Mr Morrow said last night. "All masonic rumours are inherently true, especially those with no basis whatsoever in fact. There are many stories going around and I would rather not comment on any."
I must say that I thought this comment by bro Morrow was very funny, whatever can he mean???
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Post by bod on May 5, 2006 19:16:10 GMT
Stewart, fyi, the post of Grand Sec is similar to that of company sec/ceo in a large organisation, the role is for admin and organisational purposes, not to guide the craft in any particular way, by viewing the situation from within your own prejudices you give yourself a very skewed perspective and completely misinterpret the role and function. However, I do echo your sentiments with regard to Bro Morrow and hope he is being supported by his friends and brothers during this time,. from what this article in the Guardian says it appears to be a complicated matter, serious in masonic terms if it is true, but a storm in a tea cup if it is not. I hope the dust settles soon, and that freemasonry is allowed, as with many other institutions, to deal with its internal matters in private.
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 12:40:21 GMT
It was announced yesterday at The Grand Lodge investitures, The Grand Secretary has been sacked Now that to me is confirmation! If it was announced at GL yesterday (I'm not allowed to go along just yet ) then it would suggest that all the legal bits have been taken care of - especially if it was announced in such an absolute manner. monty - sorry for pouncing on you so harshly - the comment regarding wages is what prompted my slightly snappy response. Welcome to the forum......
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 9:07:59 GMT
Why not , we PAY / PAID HIS WAGES..... Er because there is a small thing called 'the law'. Or are you one of those people who thinks 'cos he pays his council tax he is entitled to hear why they sacked the street-cleaner from the other side of town -'cos I pay their wages'. Like every other organisation in the UK the UGLE needs to follow a process dictated by employment legislation amongst other statutory instruments, as I said - the truth will come out in time. I would also ask what your motivation is in publicising an as yet unconfirmed rumour - it obviously matters so much to you that you registered here JUST to post this, so who are you?
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Post by bod on Apr 27, 2006 1:47:28 GMT
Not heard anything official about this, but if it is the case I imagine it would take a week or so for something to come from the official channels.
I also think it very unlikely that his reasons for departure (if it is the case) will be broadcast, he is a private individual and has a reasonable right to expict his dealings to be kept that way.
I personally don't think it is something we should be speculating on, we'll get the official version as I said, if it has happened.
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Post by bod on Apr 21, 2006 19:31:13 GMT
The Peterboro booklets exist in UGLE land, not every lodge uses them, but they should. They are a small book with the degree ceremony and another one about the degree.
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Post by bod on Apr 13, 2006 0:51:47 GMT
Re: Rapid erasure of Lodges Andy Bell and Vince Clark winning the Grand National. Not ignoring you - still trying to work it out! I understpood the Swan and the Balloon reference but didn't get the horsey bit......
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Post by bod on Mar 17, 2006 0:25:15 GMT
In England and Wales gloves are always worn, from the end of your initiation onwards. There are times when you take them off, but they are considered part of the 'uniform'.
Gauntlets are a different matter, only the wardens and master get them.
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Post by bod on Apr 4, 2006 23:18:57 GMT
Stewart
You side step in these discussions so frequently I thought you were a crab. Quite often you cherry pick which participants you wish to respond to in order to most emphasise your argument - not too much wrong with that, but when the particular focus and direction continues one way for so long it gives the impression of a vendetta. And UGLE is the organising body, the lodges and the members are the constituents. One bad MP doesn't invalidate the whole government, nor does several dozen dodgy clergymen undo the church, likewise with the alleged and actual malpracticing constituents of UGLE.
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Steve, Your opening post summed up perfectly one of the most elemental parts of freemasonry at craft level - the enjoyment. There is a cameraderie of shared experience that gets strengthened by meeting regularly with your lodge brothers, and this comes out in the lodge. I also loved the fact it is a postive comment on a malecraft lodge - far too often people raise their voices in dissent and blind their eyes to the positives.
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Post by bod on Mar 12, 2006 22:59:54 GMT
Gio www.blueplaque.comShows 3 plaques in London for Dante Gabriel Rossetti, and one for Dante Gabriel Rosetti.
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Post by bod on Mar 12, 2006 23:40:35 GMT
UGLE is not Freemasonry. UGLE is the administrative body in England and Wales for Craft Freemasonry. Freemasonry is in the individual. Well said cheyham. And Lord N was speaking as an individual, an individual who is in the top tier of the admin structure of UGLE, sure, but still speaking as Lord N, freemason, but not on offical duty. In his comfy cardy and slippers if you like. To me it is encouraging that someone of his masonic experience has found the time to vocalise his masonic experiences and ideas in this way, its cause for bouquets, not brickbats.
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Post by bod on Mar 13, 2006 23:52:25 GMT
Staying with the CofE parallel, in recent years the Alpha Course has led to increased numbers attending church, to my mind the Cornerstone Society is the masonic equivalent.
As Julian has proven with Meridian Lodge, there are masons in UGLE who enjoy the educational and thoughtful side to masonry, many more than there appears to be from a superficial glance.
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Post by bod on Mar 11, 2006 13:30:45 GMT
Stewart
Probably the closest parallel for you to consider would be the C of E (or to be honest almost any religious body or organisation that has a moral standpoint).
The C of E has many members, it varies from those who go to church daily, through to those who only go for functional reasons, hatch, match and despatch, so to speak. The membership has varied ideas as to how the 'message' should be interpreted, and if one member is failing the others encourage and support the member, but don't necessarily condemn or expel them. The parishioner who has just been nicked for posession of cocaine is more likely to look for support from their fellow members than condemnation. The same spirit of support underpins freemasonry, and is a fundamental part of what makes a freemason, and I believe it is present in ALL who have come into freemasonry,including those who may only be interested in the social and charity aspects. You don't have to memorise the entire latin version of the eucharist mass to be a member of the C of E, and you don't need to subscribe to the deep symbology and meaning that some find in the ritual to become a freemason. You just need to be human, with a good heart.
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Post by bod on Mar 6, 2006 22:58:08 GMT
Hopefully no-one and we can go back to discussing masonic stuff........
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Post by bod on Mar 6, 2006 22:55:42 GMT
OK Back to the question. What would the motive of instructing a member not to go to such a convocation. 1) Would attending give respect to other body 2) Might the attendee be enticed away from Mother Body 3) .............................. Motivation? For saying don't go? If you knew they made really bad tea? Or served cheap biscuits. There are plenty of events that don't come in for comment from "The Management " - this event just happens to be one that head office would rather people who were under it's banner didn't attend - possibly for reasonsof policy or politics (with a small 'p'). As the organising body of the convocation and its chief protagonist appears to be at odds with aforementioned 'Management' its no big suprise. Would attending give the body respect? Only if it was a funeral you were going to. In this instance it would no doubt greatly please them 'oop north' as it would defray some of the cost of tea and biscuits, setting up the chairs, writing the obligatory powerpoint presentation (why does everyone and his dog think that powerpoint is a good medium for sharing information?? seriously, i've seen some shockers.....). The convocation would win respect if it came out with something credible and worthwhile to the masonic community as a whole - a real gem, kind of like Pasteur and penicillin - or even better - the Holy Grail!! Might the attendee be enticed away from the Mother body? Freud would have a field day with that phrase. Chances are if Joe Mason (MM - UGLE) was going to go along to such an event he is already seeking other paths that UGLE freemasonry can't reach (after all - its not Carlsberg), there are lots of those. Some stay, some go - every year. Same with the many other masonic parts of the family - and we all meet here. On the level, and on the square
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Post by bod on Jan 12, 2006 2:44:23 GMT
He he - and so it starts....
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Post by bod on Jan 14, 2006 22:41:55 GMT
For the worlds ills will only be solved once its people collectively look into their hearts and show more love, relief and truth. Such an easy thing to do, yet also one of the most difficult things. Moving mountains is the easy bit, getting people to open their hearts first is the tricky bit. Shock horror - Stewart makes a comment that bod agrees with! ;D ;D
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Post by bod on Jan 14, 2006 21:48:32 GMT
Stewart,
Not offended, at all, however, you are starting to sound more and more like one of them there fundamentalist religionists - I've found the way and its the only way!
As of yet I realise no-one has asked you what 'it' is - and are you certain that it is the right 'it' or will there be a different 'it' along later in life that replaces the current 'it' and serves you better?
You asked had I found 'it' - I think I have - but I don't believe my 'it' will be a panacea for the worlds ills, or for that matter for anyone elses ills, however, it works for me. ;D
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