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Post by Mikepm on Mar 2, 2005 22:20:11 GMT
Cheers Proton, i will keep the list that you made, lets hope for a few more, regards Mike.
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 2, 2005 0:24:56 GMT
Thanks for the info Proton, most interesting, but not much else in the way of a response!!!
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 28, 2005 23:48:26 GMT
Gentleman & any Ladies that my come on to this site, i'm interested in your thoughts on lectures in the Lodge, and how many different lectures their are out there? Last Friday i joined a Past Masters lodge, and the lecture was about Rudyard Kiplings Life & works. It was very interesting, especialy about some of the childrens books he wrote and the strong masonic references within those books which i read many moons ago, and didn't realise the references at the time, oh the innocence of childhood, regards Mike.
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 2, 2005 22:41:19 GMT
The internet is a great tool if used correctly, and the forums are great.
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 2, 2005 0:31:47 GMT
Bill, point taken, i'm sure there is still a strong Anti feeling within a lot of social groups, but they need educating, as there are many groups about that are similar to Freemasonry but do not attract as much publicity? regards Mike
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 1, 2005 0:22:24 GMT
I didn't realise that this post would throw up such detailed replys, as i have just spent 20 mins reading through it. Lee you mentioned a couple of masonic quotes early on, wait till your 3rd. Stewart, The word ANTI IMHO is not offensive, and not related to 'concentration camps! a bit strong. To sum up in TM'S words just ignore, and that will not add fuel to the Anti's diminishing fire.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 21, 2005 23:45:54 GMT
Leo, i also had my wedding reception at the Masonic Hall, Redhill, Surrey (where my lodge meets) and i know that my wife was impressed by the helpfullness of the centre manager and of his staff, so when i asked him about joining freemasonry she was already onside with me joining.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 20, 2005 11:02:21 GMT
Hi Leonardo, i will be brief. My Grandfather was a Freemason in London for over 50 years from approx 1924 to 1982 and as far as memory serves, was always helping others. i beleive the Sunday school i attended recevied help from his lodge. When he fell ill they looked after him and my Nan. The Historical side of Freemasonry, ( i'm going to visit the Rosslyn Chapel) as well as other Historical sites. Friendship, everyone i have met face to face or on websites have been friendly, and helpful. Charity work, and especialy smaller & local charities, and just helping others. And hopfully to see you initiated this year, regards Mike.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 20, 2005 10:38:30 GMT
Away with the Fairies Keith i think comes from whistlers part of the world, and is on another forum, and i think this one. Taylorsman i'm surprised your not tyling more often as you are in short supply! Whistler how much Does Co-masonry mirror Freemasonry? as there seems to be a lot of similar words & Tokens, regards Mike.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 19, 2005 23:02:06 GMT
whistler, with respect, you are asking Freemasons on here (imho) to reveal parts of our ceremony to a non-mason, and you shouldn't be asking these types of questions. I know that you are a Co-Mason and i respect that, but please do not lead those that are new to Freemasonry to reveal parts of our ceremony that are not for your eyes. This and other sites are great for debate, but i have thought for some time that you are trying to get us to reveal our degrees to you. If you want to join then ask Keith, (who i have the grearest respect for,) to give you more info, regards Mike
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 21, 2005 23:58:53 GMT
I don't wear any pins either, as like you Steve, most of the people i work with, know that i'm on the Square, but i do always give the masonic hand shake. Jumile, it's an interesting comment you make. In my job i have come across customers wearing a Probus Pin, a Red Cross of Constantine Pin, Buffalo, ( i asked what it was) and a few others, but i take on board what you are saying as i wouldn't wear any pins for a job interview, or a interview for promotion.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 20, 2005 11:42:07 GMT
What about the 2 B C, thats a nice pin, & the Surrey Oakleaf.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 19, 2005 23:10:11 GMT
Jumile, you don't have to hid any symbols. Why do you have to remove the Forget-me-not when those in WW2 used it for recognition in Germany??? We are in the 21st century now.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 19, 2005 12:21:37 GMT
I wear a forget-me-not, also i have 2 pins one a Level & one Square & Compass which was made for those that were the Master & Wardens of their Lodge for the year 2000. ;D
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 15, 2005 21:48:05 GMT
We are to quick to defer to a popular belief that evrything in early masonry was symbolic. If we look at the facts surrounding this period of History the populous was taking violent forms of punishment as every day events. for example: The full sentence passed upon those convicted of High Treason up to 1870 was as follows : That you be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution where you shall be hanged by the neck and being alive cut down, your privy members shall be cut off and your bowels taken out and burned before you, your head severed from your body and your body divided into four quarters to be disposed of at the King’s pleasure.” So not for the feint hearted then!! www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/hdq.htmlThe Guillotine From Robert Wilde, Your Guide to European History. FREE GIFT with Newsletter! Act Now! Part 4: The Terror Perhaps the most unusual aspect of the guillotine's history is the sheer speed and scale of its adoption and use. Born out of a discussion in 1789 that had actually considered banning the death penalty, the machine had been used to kill over 15,000 people by the Revolution's close in 1799, despite not being fully invented until the middle of 1792. Indeed, by 1795, only a year and a half after its first use, the guillotine had decapitated over a thousand people in Paris alone. Timing certainly played a part, because the machine was introduced across France only months before a bloody new period in the revolution: The Terror. 1636 The Massachusetts Bay Colony lists 13 crimes punishable by death, including idolatry and witchcraft. 1791 The Bill of Rights is ratified, including the Eighth Amendment, which prohibits the imposition of cruel and unusual punishments. Nevertheless, the practice of capital punishment is universally accepted and it is understood at the time that the Eighth Amendment was not intended to stop it. 1793 Pennsylvania invents degrees of murder, recognizing qualitative differences in the kinds of murder, some not necessarily deserving of a death sentence. This was a compromise between pacifist Quakers who opposed the death penalty and capital punishment supporters. 1833 In the face of public executions becoming chaotic, carnival-like spectacles, with rowdy crowds becoming increasingly violent, Rhode Island becomes the first state to require private hangings. New York follows suit in 1835. Why should we today think for one minute that the original penalties were exagerated. Basicly it was known as Hanged, Drawn, & Quartered, which was performed down the thames, where the prisoners were marched from the sessions house, (now Clerkenwell masonic Centre) or from there to newdgate prison. 1717 was when the Ancients & Moderns joined as one, to a fashion, English masonry was about before then, read the book on Ashmole, or The Green Man.
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 8, 2005 14:46:42 GMT
If i invite guest/s then i pay, but they always offer to pay, and my answer is, 'you can buy me a drink in the bar' I know staffs is being raised in April...i think, and if i can make it then i will pay, as he will have invited maybe 4/5 guests and can't be expected to pay for all, unless he has won the Lotto!!!!
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 5, 2005 20:06:04 GMT
The 12 pointed radiating star is the jewel our chaplain wears on the sacred volume, and there is a paragraph we use at our instalation, if any brother would like the words Pm me, regards, Mike
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Post by Mikepm on Mar 3, 2005 22:04:18 GMT
The 12 pointed radiating Star, radiating in 12 directions...........
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 21, 2005 23:31:14 GMT
No takers on the 12 pointed Star?
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Post by Mikepm on Feb 20, 2005 11:35:28 GMT
What about the book with the '12 pointed radiating Star'? I think that Steve might know this, if not i have the words that we use at installation.
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