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Post by antoninus9 on Nov 15, 2007 20:16:54 GMT
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Post by vtmason on Nov 15, 2007 21:47:03 GMT
We all pretty much know what will happen next. Certain people will start a smear campaign against the GL Ohio, and it will be completely one sided, because the Grand Lodge of Ohio will not respond. It's already been done. It was boring then. My hope is that the brothers of that lodge that wish to remain a part of the Grand Lodge will be given the chance to do so.
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Post by antoninus9 on Nov 15, 2007 23:17:16 GMT
I thought you would post something like that. lol
Don't you think that's just obfuscation in an attempt to avoid discussing the real issue? A MAINSTREAM LODGE just defected. It is only the first of more to come over the next few months.
You really don't have a clue do you?
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Post by vtmason on Nov 15, 2007 23:27:28 GMT
I thought you would post something like that. lol Don't you think that's just obfuscation in an attempt to avoid discussing the real issue? A MAINSTREAM LODGE just defected. It is only the first of more to come over the next few months. You really don't have a clue do you? Your post was equally predictable. I don't know jack about this lodge, and I don't really care. If you hadn't plastered their business all over the internet, no one else would have either. Some of you cats are really hung up on this whole regular/irregular thing and are forgetting to be Masons. Please quit baiting me and implying that I am inferior to you in knowledge. I'm not interested.
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 15, 2007 23:35:00 GMT
Speaking on a purely personal basis and not of course for anyone else nor for or on behalf of any Masonic Body.
Good Luck Bro Jeff and to the Brethren of Halcyon Lodge.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 15, 2007 23:40:10 GMT
Congrats Brotheren!!
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 15, 2007 23:41:49 GMT
I don't know much either, but this campaign against mainstream Freemason Grand lodges is worrying. not for me but for those Masons who do not wish to become part of a Masonic revolution.
Jeff you seem to be the Che Guevara of Freemasonry.
Do you stop to consider how many 'probably older Freemasons' who just don't want change but don't have the energy to keep up with you?
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 15, 2007 23:41:50 GMT
VT Mason
I do not know how many times we have stated we are not interested in the Politics of Any Grand Lodge.
Antonius 9 has posted a Link to his site with a comment attached to to get more info on the title of the thread.
He was not baiting anybody, he has posted a simple link with more info if any member of this Forum would like to read it! This is simple really and not breaking any of our rules.
I would suggest the only person doing any baiting in this thread was you by posting the remarks you did.
Now I will ask you please if this is something that you are tired of, or fed up with, ignore it!
I cannot see the value of writing a Post like you did and then acting as though you have been baited when you get a response like you did.
However, if you would like to comment on the closing down of this Lodge and the effect it may have on freemasonry in general please feel free to do so, without presuming what other members of the Forum will answer.
You might be surprised.
We are a Forum that does not judge or allow others to do the same especially in an aggressive way. We will not allow blatant arguing or in your words baiting between members over any issue that is there to be discussed
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Post by mike on Nov 15, 2007 23:47:09 GMT
Forgive me for asking but who or what is the new Lodge affiliated to ?
If it is as it reads that they are unaffiliated, do the brethren of the newly formed "unaffliated" Lodge realise that they will not be able to visit other Lodges or have normal Masonic discourse as they will now be considered "clandestine" as they are not affiliated to a Grand Lodge recognised by others.
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 15, 2007 23:47:44 GMT
I don't know much either, but this campaign against mainstream Freemason Grand lodges is worrying. not for me but for those Masons who do not wish to become part of a Masonic revolution. Jeff you seem to be the Che Guevara of Freemasonry. Do you stop to consider how many 'probably older Freemasons' who just don't want change but don't have the energy to keep up with you? "Mainstream" Freemason GL's are doing a bang up job screwing up all by themselves.
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Post by penfold on Nov 15, 2007 23:48:30 GMT
It's a bold move by the bretheren, as Bill said, I hope that any dissenters from the vote to go independent had the opportunity to remain with GLO. Are there any plans to join/affiliate with a 'GL' or organising body at all or will the lodge remain independent?
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Post by devoutfreemason on Nov 15, 2007 23:50:52 GMT
Forgive me for asking but who or what is the new Lodge affiliated to ? If it is as it reads that they are unaffiliated, do the brethren of the newly formed "unaffliated" Lodge realise that they will not be able to visit other Lodges or have normal Masonic discourse as they will now be considered "clandestine" as they are not affiliated to a Grand Lodge recognised by others. M I suspect that those issues carry less and less weight each passing day. Men are getting tired of being treated as infants. it is starting to show. As a man once wiser than I once stated "the chickens are coming home to roost." The GL of OH will continue. They are one of the founders of the ODC McMason program. They will replace those brothers that leave within an hour.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 15, 2007 23:59:23 GMT
Bro. devoutfreemason no one Freemason speaks for all. But it is the duty of all Freemasons to be considerate of his Brothers. I am confident the Freemasons of Ohio are able to decide the direction they wish to travel. But I will wait to see what the reason is for GL Bashing on the web site. I wonder who the webmaster is ? To balance some of the good things in Ohio Freemasonry. 116,000 Masons in Ohio www.freemason.com/html/gm_welcome.phpMagazine Sept 07 www.freemason.com/beacon/Beacon_SepOct07.pdf
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 16, 2007 0:29:04 GMT
Forgive me for asking but who or what is the new Lodge affiliated to ? If it is as it reads that they are unaffiliated, do the brethren of the newly formed "unaffliated" Lodge realise that they will not be able to visit other Lodges or have normal Masonic discourse as they will now be considered "clandestine" as they are not affiliated to a Grand Lodge recognised by others. M Brother Mike, at the present time, there are no other lodges or masons we feel comfortable around, so a need to "travel" is not a necessary priveledge at the moment. we were outcasts and never welcomed, so being "recognised" is irrelevant at this point in time. What is important is our future and planning it. This was not a planned move, but a reaction that was unavoidable. More info will come at the consent of our master. All brothers on the roster fall under the GL's umbrella, so all members in good standing have a GL and will be able to remain in goodstanding. We appreciate the support and understand that speculation will suffice for now, both positive and negative. Just try to be tolerant and compassionate in you speculation. fraternally Bro TC, PM SD
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Post by vtmason on Nov 16, 2007 0:30:30 GMT
My apologies to the good brothers of this board, and to Jeff. I have no right to dispute what a brother writes on his own website, whether that be Jeff on his Hayclon Lodge site, or anyone else for that matter. I just love Freemasonry too much to see it in tatters this way. Will Hayclon's departure mean much in the long run? No. The whole regularity/irregularity issue mean less every day really. I'm sure that there are already half a dozen lodges just like Hayclon in Cleveland alone. But seriously guys, I'm sorry. My post didn't come across as intended.
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Post by imakegarb on Nov 16, 2007 1:19:16 GMT
Bro. VT, I'm liking you more and more each day. You're a good man And I am, likewise, pleased with most of the posts in this thread. I see nothing I can add but I'm glad this topic is being discussed in such a constructive way. I'm sure everyone here will do what they can to see that it continues that way That said, I thought it might be prudent to remind everyone of the rules here, in particular the rule that says "due respect is to be shown to the various Grand Lodges and Masonic Bodies in existance and any criticism couched in polite and reasonable language." I'm sure everyone here realizes posting one-sided attacks and unsubstantiated rumors about any GL, or any other Masonic Supreme Body. does not fall under "polite and reasonable language." The rules also make reference to the fraternal way in which we are to post to each other. Those rules in place, it's known that the above mentioned infractions will not be tolerated. And, so, it won't happen. And I'm glad
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 16, 2007 1:21:51 GMT
Reading the Halcyon Lodge Website I observe that the vote to go Independent and secede from the GL of Ohio was unanimous. I assume any Brethren who were opposed to this move and who did not not vote had either demitted from the Lodge before this step was taken or have subsequently done so and that they will have plenty of other Lodges in Ohio to join in the City of Cleveland should they so desire.
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Post by antoninus9 on Nov 16, 2007 1:46:20 GMT
Bro. Bill,
I labored for 19 years in mainstream Masonry and did everything within my power to help it grow and prosper. All of it was a complete waste of time, effort and money. Like vtmason, I too love Freemasonry and am not about to just sit idly by while it dies. If that makes me a "revolutionary" then so be it.
I'm not interested in toppling mainstream GL's. To be honest they are irrelevant. I'm not trying to change things for the older brothers either. They can sit in their musty old buildings until the wrecking ball arrives for all I care. I'm focused on building a future where all Masons can meet on the same Level and enjoy the spirit of brother/sisterhood. That future has already taken root in the present and is just now beginning to spread its wings. It's not a new Freemasonry - it's merely a return to what Freemasonry has always been.
Jeff
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Post by negredo on Nov 16, 2007 1:57:28 GMT
Or how you perceive it. Good luck to you and the brethren in forging a new future.
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Post by maat on Nov 16, 2007 2:09:21 GMT
Bro. Bill, I labored for 19 years in mainstream Masonry and did everything within my power to help it grow and prosper. All of it was a complete waste of time, effort and money. No effort is ever wasted.... unless it was for your own edification and you remain unsatisfied. Very touching... your concern for others You can only share what you have. I am totally unfamiliar with your type of Masonry. Maat
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