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Post by vtmason on Nov 19, 2007 21:56:29 GMT
Brethren, We have tried to no end to work in the system. The same old story,"It's not how we do things here,or it's always been this way." Another quote when I tried to spruce up the lodge a little bit, I got this, Mike Ciceretti says to me " Every nail and every hook has it's purpose, You are not to touch anything unless I tell you to do it." and this was just because I changed a couple of chairs around in our lounge area. lol We have always tried to take the high road and it never got us anything but aggravation. Yes I admit we have been close to crossing the line and have made a few mistakes, but in the best interest of everybody involved we did what we did. I have been a member for about ten years now and have sat in the east so I know what has transpired. I can not go into details and all of which will come out as the Master sees fit. I recall hearing something like this " This is not the time nor place". Yes some members teased people which I do not agree with but I feel like it still should not be speculated on by anyone outside the know. Time ,patience, and perseverance will get you what you desire. I also find it disturbing that people want to call us unmasonic and cast judgment. People seem to always bring up the oath and forget about the charges which in my opinion are just as important if not more. "You are not to palliate or aggravate the offenses of your Brethren, but in the decision of every trespass against our rules you are to judge with candor, admonish with friendship and reprehend with justice." If things work out great if not so be it. We had to do what we had to do. It was not just a handful of guys that did this and it did not happen over night. People seem to think Br. Peace was the big instigator here and thats not the case. This has been coming to this for the last seven years, so I wish that people would stop saying he started this whole mess. We did not know Bro. Peace until about a year and half ago give or take. If people would just give it some time we will all see where this is going and stop the speculating and causing a huge rumor mill. Fraternally C.P. Snow P.M., R.A.M. Monday, November 19, 2007 4:27:00 PM Brother Snow, It is good to see a brother with an open heartlay it all out there. You have my full support in your endeavors.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 19, 2007 22:23:38 GMT
Man, I was at work all day and missed the fun. I want to be a bobblehead. Never mind Bro. you will always be a bobblehead to me.
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Post by maat on Nov 19, 2007 22:29:21 GMT
Dear Amos/Bro Snow May I say I really like you and your post, very much. I hope it is not the only one you make - you have much to teach us. "Time, patience, and perseverance will get you what you desire" Maat (not sure if I am a bobblehead or not, but that word kind of makes me feel young (& silly?) again... yep, I can handle that )
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Post by middlepillar on Nov 19, 2007 22:39:15 GMT
Amos
God bless you brother and the members of your Lodge.
I am looking forward to see the eventual outcome of this situation.
I can only wish you and the brethren of your Lodge the best of luck.
Once I know the full facts I will judge, until that time I will wait patiently and appreciate any snippets of true information I receive.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 19, 2007 22:43:30 GMT
The Staff Vermonts latest Initiate Son of VTmason Penfold , Maat and Imakegarb - MFoL Leo and Middlepillar Graphics with compliments of Bobble Head World
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Post by leonardo on Nov 19, 2007 22:50:06 GMT
Brethren, We have tried to no end to work in the system. The same old story,"It's not how we do things here,or it's always been this way." Another quote when I tried to spruce up the lodge a little bit, I got this, Mike Ciceretti says to me " Every nail and every hook has it's purpose, You are not to touch anything unless I tell you to do it." and this was just because I changed a couple of chairs around in our lounge area. lol We have always tried to take the high road and it never got us anything but aggravation. Yes I admit we have been close to crossing the line and have made a few mistakes, but in the best interest of everybody involved we did what we did. I have been a member for about ten years now and have sat in the east so I know what has transpired. I can not go into details and all of which will come out as the Master sees fit. I recall hearing something like this " This is not the time nor place". Yes some members teased people which I do not agree with but I feel like it still should not be speculated on by anyone outside the know. Time ,patience, and perseverance will get you what you desire. I also find it disturbing that people want to call us unmasonic and cast judgment. People seem to always bring up the oath and forget about the charges which in my opinion are just as important if not more. "You are not to palliate or aggravate the offenses of your Brethren, but in the decision of every trespass against our rules you are to judge with candor, admonish with friendship and reprehend with justice." If things work out great if not so be it. We had to do what we had to do. It was not just a handful of guys that did this and it did not happen over night. People seem to think Br. Peace was the big instigator here and thats not the case. This has been coming to this for the last seven years, so I wish that people would stop saying he started this whole mess. We did not know Bro. Peace until about a year and half ago give or take. If people would just give it some time we will all see where this is going and stop the speculating and causing a huge rumor mill. Fraternally C.P. Snow P.M., R.A.M. Monday, November 19, 2007 4:27:00 PM Brother Amos, welcome to the forum and thank you for taking the time to share your clear sighted thoughts with us. Bro, Jeff knows, at least I believe he knows, I wish him well with the new GL. In fact, I commented on it on another thread. I hope everything works out and all Brn:. will reach a position where we can simply find common ground and all this uneasiness is behind us.
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Post by leonardo on Nov 19, 2007 22:52:30 GMT
The Staff Vermonts latest Initiate Son of VTmason Penfold , Maat and Imakegarb - MFoL Leo and Middlepillar Graphics with compliments of Bobble Head WorldLooks about right to me
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 19, 2007 23:13:47 GMT
I feel that we are in danger of prodding our sticks into a Hornet's nest and it would be best to leave Halcyon Lodge and its active members to plough their own furrow.
Apart from the Legal Issues which may well arise over the ownership of their Temple, I can see that tempers are becoming aroused on both sides here. I am sure we all know where we stand on this issue, I know my mind on this matter I can assure you!
So I feel we ought to let Bro Peace and the others of Halcyon Lodge progress as they may. They certainly will have difficulties to overcome in the next few months and years.
Oh and by the way I most definitely am NOT a "Bobblehead".
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Post by penfold on Nov 19, 2007 23:48:57 GMT
Thank you Bill! Now I know what a bobblehead is.....
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Post by amos on Nov 20, 2007 1:11:10 GMT
Brethren, Thank you for your kind remarks. I posted the same post at a sight called the lodgeroomuk under masonic news items threads. You will know which one to click on. www.lodgeroomuk.net/bb/index.php Can you please tell me if my passions were out of bounds. And what does he not get? Just looking for some insight. This has been going on for a while and today is the first time have posted in along time. And now I know why LOL Fraternally C.P. Snow P.M.
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Post by billmcelligott on Nov 20, 2007 3:01:37 GMT
Well as the owner of said forum I can answer by referring you to the thread on Passion there.
You see one remark sparks another and you have to be careful not to prempt the outcome of the ripples you start.
What you can not expect is everyone to agree with you. Forums just don't work that way. The art is to allow the other Guy the right to his views even though you think it is stupid.
I have all these sayings and many work well.
What do you get with a Lodge full of 65 Freemasons. 65 ways to do the ritual.
In short to expect Freemasons to agree is optimistic at the least.
minor adjustment that forum is LodgeroomUS.
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 20, 2007 6:51:12 GMT
itis official, I recieved my letter of suspension today. one question: can someone be suspended if they already turned in their card? Thanks
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Post by thedixiemason on Nov 20, 2007 7:17:21 GMT
itis official, I recieved my letter of suspension today. one question: can someone be suspended if they already turned in their card? Thanks I think so. It means that although you ceased being a member under your own "terms," the GL views you in the same light as anyone who decides to terminate membership. But don't mistake that for an expulsion...
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 20, 2007 9:26:17 GMT
one question: can someone be suspended if they already turned in their card?
Bro TC, logically I'd say NO. You have Resigned, you have already sent back your card. You are no longer subject to that Jurisdiction's Rules as you have rejected them. You are still a Freemason, only YOU can abjure that. All they can "Suspend" are the rights of attendance etc for an Organisation you have already left. It would be like the Pope excommunicating someone who had ceased to be a Roman Catholic, an empty sanction.
No doubt your former Grand Lodge will go through its own process, "Bell, Book and Candle" as it where. Possibly they will summons you to appear before some Committee of the "High and Mighty". Whether you attend or not is your choice, I wouldn't in your circumstances as the matter has gone further than that, but it is for you to decide. The worst punishment they could impose is expel you , a redundant gesture as you have already left.
One of the other posters used the Japanese word Ronin, I feel that is quite a good description of your status now.
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Post by Tamrin on Nov 20, 2007 10:41:25 GMT
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Post by wayseer on Nov 20, 2007 11:27:55 GMT
A ronin is a drifter - one who has lost his Master.
I doubt that fits Bro TC position.
Bro TC - may all be at peace within thee.
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Post by vtmason on Nov 20, 2007 11:36:31 GMT
itis official, I recieved my letter of suspension today. one question: can someone be suspended if they already turned in their card? Thanks It makes it official though doesn't it. Did every member of your lodge get a pink slip?
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Post by lauderdale on Nov 20, 2007 13:09:27 GMT
Bro John, no insult was intended I assure you. I wish him and all his Brethren good luck. They have done something, too many others just sit and moan.
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Post by antoninus9 on Nov 20, 2007 13:23:43 GMT
It's the ultimate act of extreme ego and hubris to suspend/expel a person from an organization that he quit of his own free will. It's so vain that it shows how little real power these jokers ever really had.
How many corporations fire you after you resign? It's nothing more than a petty act of revenge by the people you scorned. It reveals far more about their character than yours TC.
Keep up the good work Halcyon. :-)
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Post by 2 BOWL CAIN on Nov 20, 2007 13:24:49 GMT
more news brothers: Today, Grand Master Charlie L. Montgomery expelled Frank Haas, Past Grand Master from Masonry by edict that he had prepared and read at a stated communication of Wellsburg Lodge #2. Richard Bosely was also expelled. There is also a report that Wellsburg Lodge was placed on probation for requesting a Masonic Trial for MW Haas. We will obtain further information and post it here.
Brethren it should be brutally clear now that NO DISSENSION WILL BE ALLOWED.
You are living in historic times for West Virginia Masonry.
more brothers out without a trial, and a PGM as well. As I said before, if 1 GM does it(Georgia and jeff), another could do it, now in WVA. brothers wronged and no recourse.......
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