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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 9:01:43 GMT
STAFFS WROTE :
Hubert i am glad you are aroused so to speak with this.
Slightly off topic but you mentioned that whenb on the pavement you feel your feet burning.
I must say thet even without a drink before a ceremony when i am in the big temple at Brighton i tend to get quite dizzy and light headed.
Any Ideas ?
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 9:02:45 GMT
HUBERT WROTE :
Hi Staffs, could you repeat that OR Are you having a drink now?
Seriously tho' this is actually during our ceremonial work, especially when I am one of the Decons.
Again when I hold the position of the Chair, other interesting energies present themselves, almost as tho' the OFFICE will allow no wrong!
We instruct our Brn. so strongly on the respect for the Chair that all who take it have the most wonderfull experience there.
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 9:03:36 GMT
STAFFS WROTE : Hubert i am talking about just being IN the temple.
I am on the floor this year so what sort of feeling am i going to experience ?
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 4, 2005 9:10:21 GMT
Hi Staffs, read your latest on 5points, This is probably a better thread for energies.
What I spoke of regarding "burning feet" in 5 points is particular to me, most others have not had the same experience.
For your work this year start by concentrating on the proceedure in hand. My sensations did not start at the begining, but later on, and then princibly when doing an Initiation, Passing or Raising.
It could be due to the pointing of the swordsmens at the candidate.
One thing I am sure of it affects all differently, and is certainly not to be concerned about. Your energies this year will be taken up by the new work you have to learn. The rest will follow in it's own good time!
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 4, 2005 9:58:10 GMT
I have to agree that the building can focus and retain energies . I too have always got a great buzz when at the Main Temple at Brighton even if only as a Visitor and not participating. At 5223 Installation in Oct last year I was substitute SW and when I was led to that Chair in the West and sat in it a feeling of great peace and calm came over me and although I had not expected to perform any Office at the Meeting and had not read it up again to refresh my memory, it being many years since I was in that Office but I just KNEW what to do as if I was being told from elsewhere. I also feel the same vibrations at FMH and Clerkenwell but NOT at the Berkshire Centre at Sindlesham which has all the sterility of a School Assembly Hall for me.
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Post by whistler on Jan 4, 2005 19:30:41 GMT
STAFFS WROTE : Hubert i am talking about just being IN the temple. I am on the floor this year so what sort of feeling am i going to experience ? Staffs don't make a mistake of seeking these feelings- just let them happen they will be unique too you and possibly different each time...- You can start working on it now. Before you process in your lodge just put the thought into your mind that you are about to enter the lodge and you wish to perform your task to your very best and if there is any assistance available you would be pleased to receive it. Don't make a big deal about it - perhaps when you are sitting in lodge just ask your self how you feel - Re Taylorman and his feeling as SW' - In our Lodges the SW Has a special role of observation and supporting the RWM other things so it is not difficult to understand his calm - Also as each office has an etheric being supporting it - Don't think Taylorman did the work all on his own I have corrected my JW SW Typo but the points remain - Thanks Staff
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 19:38:47 GMT
Whistler,i dont seek those feelings but i can sense and feel it without wanting it.That is what i meant.
BTW Steve was SW that night in October ,
What does that represent ?
However,i will take notice of your advice before entering the temple in future and will keep you updated.
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Post by whistler on Jan 4, 2005 19:51:40 GMT
Whistler,i dont seek those feelings but i can sense and feel it without wanting it.That is what i meant. Good Then start observing those feelings - sort of looking at your self "feeling" them - become more familiar. If you don't like or want them - Just put the thought out that you don't want them disturbing you at that particular time -
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 20:04:31 GMT
in a manner somewhat to meditating ?
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 4, 2005 20:05:50 GMT
This is a very interesting topic, and I would like to develop this especially with the more esoterically minded.
I am in an Order that is carried out in a Temple like we are all familiar with, (although not a Masonic Temple). This Temple and all the vessels used in the ceremony are consecrated during the opening ceremony of the meeting, but this is not what I am Posting for, with relation to this topic all the members wear socks only, when I was admitted I did not understand but after my 'initiation' It was quite an incredible feeling. Now I wonder if when attending a normal masonic meeting we were all slipshod whether it would be easier to 'feel the enegy'.
Just a thought.
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 20:15:40 GMT
Chris,i have to ask .what order is this and do youmean JUST socks ?
If your feet are bare then you would be more in contact with the energy transmitted through the floor .
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 4, 2005 20:30:12 GMT
Lee Not just socks! There is regalia which consists of a white alb and underneath whatever you feel comfortable in! And I would probably agree no socks would be even closer but I should of said white socks white being The colour of light. The Order I cant name but it is a martinist Order and if you want to sample a little bit of what martinism is try this link www.moup.org/
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Post by staffs on Jan 4, 2005 20:47:35 GMT
Chris,barefoot would be truly enlightening but possibly subject to veroucas. ;D
Is Martinists a perely French thing or are thes orders practiced in UK ??
Sorryy slightly off topic again
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 4, 2005 22:07:51 GMT
There are Orders of martinism practised in the UK. And about 40 different versions Worldwide.
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Post by whistler on Jan 4, 2005 22:19:39 GMT
in a manner somewhat to meditating ? No - IMO meditation is passive You are setting out to work a ceremony Try This - Even If you aren't sure about all this etheric business - before or as you enter your lodge to work with a ceremony - just flash the thought to the entities that work with your lodge - if you hold office you can be a little more specific - Just make the connection - it needn't be lofty words - even "Hi Fellows lets make this a good one"" (you select the words) and don't put the entities on a pedastal, you are going to work as a team. After you have put the thought out - just get on with your Masonic work - After the ceremony reflect on your performance and anything else that cames to mind. Middlepillar: yes it is a very interesting topic - it gets to the core of the Natural Lores
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Post by hollandr on Jan 5, 2005 1:42:08 GMT
I find this an encouraging topic.
Here is an experiment. Try standing on only black tiles on the pavement and then on only white tiles. can you feel the difference?
How does that arise?
I have heard some lodges start the candidate EA on one colour of the pavement and the candidate FC on the other. Is that common? Is there any understanding of why to do that?
Unfortunately in my lodge they have a biblical quote that only priests (high priest?) can walk on the pavement therefore we do not use it?
Is that common?
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 5, 2005 3:09:21 GMT
Middlepillar,
The CoM in India regularly meet without footware I understand (not been there myself) as is the tradition in India. Hot climate & all that.
In an ideal situation, all lodges would be soil floored, that is at ground level. But in our practical world we have buildings, and in Christchurch's case it is on the first floor.
This contact with the earth is the most desirable, as would bare feet with it. But as all the most important work is done on the pavement that would be the real place to be bare. Remember in the old days, the tracing board had to be inscribed on the floor!!
If you take note of the feet positions & attire at the various degrees, it would be apparent that specific requirements pertain to the different degrees, with swords pointed accordingly, thus maybe we would disturb the Candidates' energy flows if we all were to be barefooted also? Mind you there is equal argument that the barefoot Brn. in the columns are ADDING their energy into the mix!
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Post by hollandr on Jan 5, 2005 6:08:21 GMT
Hubert
I think you will find Co-M use of swords much more sophisticated than in the male craft - as far as I have seen so far. Some of the male craft (blue lodge) even use curved swords for the few uses they do make. I am unable to comment on higher degrees in male craft yet.
As to feet burning. I would suspect 2 factors. The obvious one is that there is energy running across the pavement - from east to west and from north to south - on opposite colours.
The less obvious factors is that you probably have blocked minor chakras is your feet. You should feel tingling but heat is probably in you and not in the lodge.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 5, 2005 9:21:13 GMT
Russell et al, you are correct that in UGLE Craft Freemasonry the Sword, apart from that of the Tyler, plays little part. I do understand that in other Constitutions and in Bristol Wokings it is far more prominant. In 4 of the Higher Degrees I belong to swords do play a far greater part, especially in KTs/Malta and St Thomas of Acon, and in parts of the Allied Masonic Degrees.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 5, 2005 19:10:04 GMT
An interesting fact regarding sword work in Blue masonry is that all the methods/protocols regarding this is taken from Rose Croix & upwards. That is there is no instruction in the ritual of Blue, mearly what is handed down from Senior masons who have reached those higher degrees. All our sword work in CoM is described in the rituals of RC and KK., and any swordsmaster in Blue is instructed accordingly.
Irronically then by the time we get to these levels we are already versed in how to perform.
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