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Post by hollandr on Jun 18, 2005 8:09:37 GMT
Hubert
And the mosaic pavement is the most protected - according to Co-M ritual. But in my lodge they say that only the high priest may walk on the pavement and since we have no high priest in the ritual no working occurs on the pavement.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by giovanni on Jun 18, 2005 10:04:20 GMT
Nobody can cross the pavement
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 18, 2005 19:59:37 GMT
I have just come back from my second Meeting of Royal Order of Scotland where I could see what I did as a Candidate last time. Again I say this REAL Freemasonry with all the bits that English Freemasonry lost after 1815 restored. St John's Freemasonry and in a Christian context.
Of interest to this Thread is that I could sense the Positive Energy in that Meeting as it was full of serious and well experienced Freemasons.
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 18, 2005 21:09:50 GMT
Nobody can cross the pavement
The pavement is habitually "squared" because formerly, when lodges met in inns and public houses, the floor was covered in chalk drawings which would haver been erased by anyone walking on it. That is why people began walking around the rectangular "carpet" section in the centre of the room.
In the Scottish Constitution, the pavement is often crossed by the Chaplain who delivers the Invocation over the head of the Candidate.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jun 18, 2005 22:46:15 GMT
Naturally nobody 'crosses' the pavement, but it is the most energy intensive area of any Lodge. Frequently when I have performed as a Deacon on it my feet actually 'burn' - in all degrees - in our lodge all secrets & instruction is given on the pavemnet, as well as, of course, the regular steps etc. We are fortunate to have an elaborate dual species timber mosaic for our pavement, with elaborate timber tassles at the corners.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 18, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
Hubert
I agree that work should be done on the pavement.
In my view there are 2 incoming streams of light - from east to west and from north to south. The 2 multi-stranded streams interweave as in cloth - producing an effect similar to tiles.
The interweave is a balanced place suitable for initiatory work.
On most tiled floors whether lodge or not, it is possible to detect energy differences between the light and dark tiles.
With etheric temples the tiles get smaller (and more numerous) as the energy gets more intense (as the officers approach the temple). Locally we have that with a landscape temple where the 7 Masons who make a lodge perfect have started their anchoring process.
Your lodge sounds very interesting. I had not thought of having a timber mosaic pavement but it is obvious when you mention it.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jun 19, 2005 7:30:56 GMT
Any link between the magic square of John Dee with 156 squares, and the tyled floor?
I also read somewhere that the Druids also had a chess board made of different wood for each square.
I also remember having a dream that involved the floor and Masonry. I'll try and find it in my notes.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 19, 2005 8:05:10 GMT
Sid
The square says something about energies - that there are 2 energies or aspects and that they are or can be conveniently considered as being at right angles.
But beyond that I would not know of any links to magic squares.
You might be closer with the chess board.
But the real test is to draw up the square in whatever application and bring it to an active lodge pavement and see if there is any interaction between their energies.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by Yoki on Jun 19, 2005 21:46:04 GMT
This thread has turned into an informative and interesting read, it is to the credit of this forum and to those who run it that it is allowed progress and weave its way. The debate concerning the deluge of occult literature now available and any consequential risk it poses is valid. Occult means hidden and for eons it was. This served a duel prepose to protect those who practised such arts and the other side of the coin was to protect those who would be harmed by it. The need for secrecy in more enlightened parts of the globe is now some what changed and one can only hope that the availability to all has a higher prepose. It would be my personal guess that it is part of humanity's evolution and as we seem to learn best from the road of hard knocks this will be no different. The availability of the occult also plays a part in becoming your own teacher; to me this is an important part of spiritual growth. When we are young we need father God and mother church to hold our hand we need Gurus to show the way, sects to inflict pain and groups for company. Through the process and for me over lifetimes of trial in this and other fields we grow. Then as adult souls we set out to do for our self's by our self's, which brings aloneness and pain and I bl--dy well hope evidentially enlightenment. The subject of squares holding energy is fascinating and for me something new, the smaller the square the greater the energy is also fascinating. I am no great scientific mind but there seems to be a parallel in the physical. This concerns pressure, my daughter in revising for exams informed me that the smaller a space the greater the pressure there within.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 19, 2005 22:38:40 GMT
Yoki
>the smaller the square the greater the energy is also fascinating.
It is actually the other way around. The greater the energy the smaller the etheric squares become.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Jun 20, 2005 0:01:07 GMT
Dear All
I would really like to say how much I have enjoyed this thread.
Someone has said that a totally closed system in the physical world will produce negative entropy and ultimately the total breakdown of that system. I have seen this happen in service clubs that start out with such energy that it regularly attracts new members - after a period of some years 'something happens' - and it is my opinion that it occurs at the time that the membership become 'comfortable'. When we are comfortable inertia sets in to a certain extent and the energy that attracts is severely diminished. If not addressed the result will be the closure of that particular group. Freemasonry has experienced this phenomenom.
This thread has clearly generated some wonderful new energy which readers can take and use as they will. One can hope that some of this energy is shared within their respective Lodges.
Beven - my general impression of the comments on this subject is one of Brn wanting to share the joy of 'their' discoveries. Their cup runneth over so as to speak. Sharing is good. I do have one little question to ask of you. You stated that you do not believe in the occult sciences. The word occult has suffered bad press over the years and is a put-off to many people - but the true meaning of the word is 'hidden' as in mystery. You obviously believe in a GAOTU, by whatever name because you are a Freemason. What greater mystery is there than trying to fathom the GA, whom most have assumed is not a physical entity, but rather a vast unimaginable Intelligence. Of course we are never going to be able to fathom the GA with our finite minds - but we can seek for clues as directed in Masonry. 2nd?!
Question - If you do not believe in the occult sciences why are you perusing the esoteric section of this site? Is that a tap I hear on the door? And if you would like to penetrate the hidden veils I suggest you join the Royal Arch for some clues as to what qualities you need to achieve so as to progress. If you are a Christian you may be interested to know that at the peak of Jesus life, which was his death (!) it is stated in the Bible that the veil of the Temple was rent from top to bottom. A student of the mysteries might think that this could allude to the fact that He achieved the ultimate goal of physical existance - that state of becoming the Perfect Man. His soul had no further need for the protection auric envelope that surrounds and protects us during incarnation. This is the same envelope that keeps us from seeing the higher realities for our own protection, that is until we can safely handle them.
This is just my opinion, an overflowing of my joy of discovery, I do not hope to convince you of anything - but one thing I can assure you is that should you ever want to embark on your own Mystery Tour - you are in for a hell of a ride!!
Hubert, Russell, Cora et al - SPOT ON and thank you.
Maat
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Post by whistler on Jun 20, 2005 1:33:31 GMT
Hubert I think you will find Co-M use of swords much more sophisticated than in the male craft - as far as I have seen so far. Some of the male craft (blue lodge) even use curved swords for the few uses they do make. Cheers Russell I suspect we do Russell - You have got me thinking how the energies would be responding when we use the swords in a ceremony if the the sword is curved - In fact the more I think about it and thinking of what the master does with the sword at installation, passing and raising - what the neophyte receives the mind Boggles - the on the other hand it may explain alot
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Post by taylorsman on Jun 20, 2005 7:54:15 GMT
In most UGLE Craft Lodges the Tyler is the only Officer to bear a Sword and for most of the Meeting he will be Outside the Door of the Lodge. In some he is summoned in by the WM at the Opening to answer for his Office and then carrys his sword and may even salute with it, but in most he remains outside only entering the Lodge at the Installation to be Invested. In some Workings he is merely given his Sword by the New WM with a few words of thanks etc but in others such as Taylor's there is a very nice Ritual. On leaving the Lodge the Tyler will salute the WM with his sword , often on an ornate manner. The Sword itself plays no other part in most UGLE Craft Ceremonies
The Inner Guard has a Poniard (Dagger). This does have a significance in the Initiation Ceremony.
In some other Workings such as those in Bristol and France the Sword is used with great significance in Ceremonies and of course it is used in many of the Higher Degrees of Regular Freemasonry particularly in KTs and other Chivalric Degrees.
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Post by giovanni on Jun 20, 2005 8:20:57 GMT
in Italy we have two Tilers: the external and the internal one. I think that this latter is coincident with your Inner Guard. In any case, he is the sole Brother who may hold his sword with the right hand, thus stressing the concept of defense. Other Brethren hold their swords with their left hand, toward the profane, during his initiation ceremony. Least but not last, the word of the WM is not deemed to be a sword in the true sense, but rather a wearer of light.
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Post by bevan on Jun 20, 2005 8:45:12 GMT
Beven - my general impression of the comments on this subject is one of Brn wanting to share the joy of 'their' discoveries.... Question - If you do not believe in the occult sciences why are you perusing the esoteric section of this site? Maat, thanks for the interest. First of all I am very happy and grateful to those brethren whose cup runneth over with their own personal discoveries. I too have benefitted from the insight shared here. Why is why I tend to browse the esoteric forum from time to time. But although I'm fairly well-versed in the theory, I am in no way interested in the more formulaic turn-of-the-century type occult studies. Yes, the occult does mean hidden in old Latin but nowadays it is a subculture all of it's own. In that regard Masonry is kind of like the kindly old grandfather who just doesn't get his grandchildren's music, preferring to try and find meaning in his old latin textbooks. Some might think this provides a certain gravitas and thus access to a more genuine "truth". However, personally I'd rather be exploring new frontiers and discovering new truths for myself. In that regard I'm more of a chaos magician, whatever that term might imply for you. The fact is, our personal spiritual journeys take us to many places and I believe we should avoid overstaying our welcome at each stop along the way. I do not really consider myself a Christian so won't be joining SRIA and all the other esoteric orders that require a Christian or Trinitarian belief. A while back I would have perhaps fudged my beliefs to be able to join but I'm in a different place now. It's a lot more zen-like and all-encompassing.
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Post by giovanni on Jun 20, 2005 9:13:48 GMT
Bevan occult means just hidden. There are energies in the universe, or rather, the whole Universe is a floating energy, that wait to be discovered, studied and employed. To the Glory of the GAOTU and for the benefit of mankind.
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jun 20, 2005 9:55:09 GMT
Several interesting side issues have emerged in this energy discussion. With respect to the sizes of squares and their potential energy quotent: There seems to be a tie up with Homeopathics here, where the greater the dilution, the more powerful/effective the remedy! Also consider the more restricted the exit point (of a vessel) the greater the force required to pass thru.
In the case of overstaying one's welcome or sojourne at any particular location/study pursuit, 'when one door closes another opens'. The trick is to open the correct subsequent portal. Though to my mind all choices are correct as we soon discover what is appropriate in each circumstance. This "moving on", especially from such a fellowship as the Craft offers, has more than personal considerations; for when we have learnt most of what we need from it we are then most suited to be the vehicle for passing on that knowledge & experience. In fact I consider it an OBLIGATION to the Brn. to carry out this duty, and All senior Brn. are reminded of such - Thus we achieve true Altruism.
Going beyond one's limits and understanding is a life time journey, and with each closing door a new 'persona' evolves, with new objectives and attitudes not prieviously recognised.
The Tyler's "tool". - Our O.G. has a sword, as did the I.G., However we found this too cumbersom to perfom at the Initiation, and now use a bayonette, which is comfortably between the sword & dagger in size. In CoMasonry swordwork varies as to the degrees held, each having a specific purpose. For my part it is more apt to use it right handed in 'Blue" masonry as we are evolving from the mundane realm to the esoteric. At the Initiation this is clearly explained to the Candidate, and as Brn. progress up the degrees, they are further instructed on it's use and positions. Those of you lucky enough to be Kts. Templar will also be aware of it's real significance.
Bye the Bye wasn't "the Kingdom of God" an excellent insight into how Not to treat our fellow man?
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Post by Yoki on Jun 21, 2005 21:46:39 GMT
Re squares and energies--Cause causes effect or is it effect causing cause. I am loath to labour a point Russel but is it not one and the same.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 21, 2005 23:05:31 GMT
Yoki
The energy produces forms to suit itself.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2005 10:25:21 GMT
Greetings, Not sure if this the right place to post this. Yoki The energy produces forms to suit itself. Cheers Russell Here is a photograph that I took of the London Round, Templar Church, which also contains an example of a dream that I had some years ago. I have called it "Day and Night".
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