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Post by staffs on Jan 5, 2005 19:21:50 GMT
Here is an experiment. Try standing on only black tiles on the pavement and then on only white tiles. can you feel the difference? This topic is supeb and mind blowing im going to try a few things next time im in the temple and post the results, Superb stuff everyone as regards to swords what about the poignard,Yes i know its only small ??
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Post by whistler on Jan 5, 2005 19:56:02 GMT
Hubert, I don't believe that an eath floor is relevant, when a Lodge is "Formed" it becomes an estosteric structure - perhaps looking as in the picture. It is formed by the energies from the bro, and the entities, coming together for the occasion to achieve specific results. The energy of the blue carpet enhanced by the actions of the Deacons wands, the pavement a powerful platform upon which much important is performed, in front of the pedestal's the energy cone's, in fact all around there are many forces coming together. I am not sure about the Suggestion re the black and white squares, Those squares represent many different things. I can't see how when a lodge is formed you would have an opportunity to do the test of standing on the black and then the white, (in our lodge you would need small feet). When the lodge is not formed, all would be left in the squares would be fading residue, influenced by many external ethers. Re your burning, it probably just the way you have come to recognise certain energies. I know a number of "healers" they all recognise the sensations from the work they do, some heat, some cold, some tingling . Staffs, Be careful not to go overboard with this exciting stuff, it is very easy especially when it is all new to get out of balance. You will feel bad if you fluff your lines or signs because you are busy looking for Masonic Angels If you try too hard to "see" you will not "see" - just acknowledge to yourself that these things may exist and go with the Flow.
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Post by staffs on Jan 5, 2005 20:23:31 GMT
Whistler,Hubert ,Chris and all thank you for drawing my att to these energies.It is not that i have not noticed these before you have just made me more aware of what to look out for. In fact i anm quite aware of these ethers in normal life outside and my bedroom at home quite often has a misty ether at certain times and i find i am more aware of these energies at certain periods of time.
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Post by a on Jan 5, 2005 21:14:50 GMT
If you try too hard to "see" you will not "see" - just acknowledge to yourself that these things may exist and go with the Flow. Seconded. Sometimes you just stumble across it.
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Post by leonardo on Jan 5, 2005 21:32:05 GMT
Seconded. Sometimes you just stumble across it. As in serendipity?
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Post by a on Jan 5, 2005 21:55:58 GMT
As in you just stumble across it. You feel it, things happen. Just as the comasonic posters have detailed. Once you stumble acorss it you can learn to listen and feel more finely.
The first time it happened to me, I was gobsmacked, been testing it as best I can ever since. Even taken advice from scientists on how to test properly.
In my own case I just went to a zoo, and felt really sorry for a snake that was lonely, bored, fed up, and emotionally bonded with it. It was amazing as it showed itself to me. Prior to that snakes were a serious phobia of mine, that day it changed to respect and understanding. And yes there were witnesses, no it does not happen all of the time (be nice if it did), and yes I am sick of the Harry Potter jokes.
Now dont get me started on Ancient Egypt where my Masonic journey to date (with hindsight) begun.
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 5, 2005 23:36:05 GMT
[quote author=stewartedwards Just as the comasonic posters have detailed. [/quote] Stewart You do not need to be a Co-Mason to feel, talk or know about this, you just need an open mind.
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Post by whistler on Jan 5, 2005 23:42:16 GMT
Stewart You do not need to be a Co-Mason to feel, talk or know about this, you just need an open mind. 100% with you Middlepillar, we are talking about natural things.. It is nothing to do with Co-Masonry it is about Life
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 6, 2005 2:17:05 GMT
Spot on Whistler. I think he was saying that mainly CoM's commented on the point, but naturally we all have these abilities, but we as CoM's naturally look for it at our meetings.
Re the Earth issue: Yes I am aware we transform our temples at the time of opening etc., I just wonder if there would be MORE energy, MORE easily accessible if it were done on natural soil. Undoubtably wiccans perform out in the open, but our rituals need the enclosure of secrecy to protect Cowans from negative influences.
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Post by staffs on Jan 6, 2005 7:27:03 GMT
What about energy at lodge of Instruction and rehearsals because this involves practicing the opening ?
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 6, 2005 8:28:46 GMT
Staffs, in response to you queery..
Generally the CoM's beleive that as the Lodge has not been formally/Regularly opened at such occasions the other energies/entities/nature spirits are not present to the same extent.
We put great store on the REGULARITY of our meetings as we summon more than just humankind. These helpers to our cause have considerable duties to perform, other than at our meetings - remember that "the Sun is always at it's M in regard to FM".
When we practice we are careful not to do the knocks, mention specific names or summon out loud certain aspects that fully OPEN meetings, thus giving peace & rest to these assistants, but learning our work all the same. This is all part of the solemnity with which we regard THE CRAFT.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 6, 2005 8:40:53 GMT
I can "walk in the same country" as Hubert and Yoki on this to an extent. I have already looked on Masonic Ceremonies as having a quasi Religious aspect, although Freemasonry is NOT per se, a religion.
I can well remember the first time I visited the Grand Temple in Freemasons Hall in London. The positive "Vibrations" I received were tremendous!
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Post by whistler on Jan 6, 2005 9:22:20 GMT
What an important topic.... Yes after a ceremony is over there certainly will be a residue of etheric content, but it can't be the same as when the Lodge is formed other etheric influences will be present, If the room is always used for Lodge ceremonies the etheric presence will reflect accordingly - Just try and not square when you are walking around ;D Staffs:You ask what sort of feeling to expect, Only you can ever know that. How you feel will be unique to you. With regard to the dizzy and lightheaded feelings - You must always be in control of this awareness, and if it disturbs you or interupts you in anyway - Put the thought out -" Not now" or "I don't like this take it away" You are always incharge when you are dealing with these things - When I have another hat on I teach classes about these things, and the most important thing I stress - You are always in Charge, in your Masonic example you could never blame the "Dizzyness' for the quality of your performance. Certainly as you become more familiar with all the things you see and feel, like the mist you mentioned the more common place they will be in your life, and the greater confidence you will gain as you develop and use the rescource that you are now discovering.
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Post by middlepillar on Jan 6, 2005 9:28:48 GMT
I think the main difference between our masonry and Co-Masonry seems to be that for the Guys in our form that are looking and seeing and feeling theses energies, we basically have to move on to other orders where they are more readily accepted and understood. This is particularly done in the SRIA.
Every Temple we enter has been consecrated, has had blessings put in place, wine,corn and oil sprinkled, scattered. What is it that some of our mundane brethren think we do this (For Fun?). We are asking for Gods blessing, so why be surprised when he gives it to us!?
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Post by Hubert (N. Z.) on Jan 6, 2005 19:07:10 GMT
Well said Middlepillar, by you and your collegues involvement in these forums, slowly more light will be shed on our fellows. Rest assured, we in the "mixed" side of FM have as much to learn from "your side" as this debate continues. Being theatrical, I enjoy the performance side greatly, but also relish the opportunity to investigate the "unseen" nature of mankind as well.
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Post by staffs on Jan 6, 2005 19:40:50 GMT
Hubert,likewise we on this side can also learn from your mixed side.
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Post by whistler on Jan 6, 2005 21:04:21 GMT
I Every Temple we enter has been consecrated, has had blessings put in place, wine,corn and oil sprinkled, scattered. Why is it that some of our mundane brethren think we do this (For Fun?). We are asking for Gods blessing, so why be surprised when he gives it to us!? Well said
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Post by hollandr on Jan 7, 2005 1:26:29 GMT
Folks
A good discussion.
Here are a few odd points.
In my experience some residual energy exists in the pavement because of its construction and geometry as well as its periodic use.
Has anyone figured a meaning for the tassels? In my time in Co-M the ritual charge promised to make the true meaning clear later - as opposed to the 4 virtues meaning given to the EA. But it never did.
As far as lodges needing to be on the ground, I recall a well-known spiritual "power point" in a house on Iona. The power point was on the first floor and clearly not in the room below. So I suspect that for some purposes at least the soil is not required. It is useful however to have as much natural materials as possible in the floor construction.
The Co-M use of swords is excellent. In almost all degrees the Master uses a sword to invoke and conduct higher energies into the candidate. The exception that I know of is RAM - where I hypothesize candidates join by right (of blood) and thereby are not initiated in the same energy sense.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 5:35:52 GMT
Ok the Tassels The Four Tassels which appear in the corners of the border stand for 4 great orders of devas connected with the elemnets, earth water, air and fire.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 7, 2005 6:07:14 GMT
Thnaks Whistler, that makes sense.
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