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Post by staffs on Jan 7, 2005 6:46:21 GMT
Ok the Tassels The Four Tassels which appear in the corners of the border stand for 4 great orders of devas connected with the elemnets, earth water, air and fire. May i beg ti differ ?The four tassels pendant to the corners are meant to remind of us the forur cardinal virtues .Temperance ,Prudence ,Fortitude and Justice, as in the first degree TB. Or is Whistlers idea just a different type of descripotiuon and a deeper more esoterical one ?
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 6:46:29 GMT
Thnaks Whistler, that makes sense. Then let me add a little more The great rulers of those four devas representing the laws of Karma, which is always balancing and adjusting the affairs of man, and seeing that there is no injuistice between living creatures in the universe, just as there is no maladjustment in the relations of material substance and bodies. This concept can also give you a glimpse into the matter of how the Devas. etheric beings, pick the name that works for you but how they balance the lodge when it is formed adding strength where there is a weakness, so the end result can be achieved.
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Post by taylorsman on Jan 7, 2005 7:32:09 GMT
Lee, both your explanation and Whistler's are in Harmony with each other as far as I can see.
BTW I will shortly be heading off from LHR to GLA.
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Post by whistler on Jan 7, 2005 8:13:04 GMT
May i beg ti differ ?The four tassels pendant to the corners are meant to remind of us the forur cardinal virtues .Temperance ,Prudence ,Fortitude and Justice, as in the first degree TB. Or is Whistlers idea just a different type of descripotiuon and a deeper more esoterical one ? Staffs We are perhaps both correct, you have given the normal Masculine meaning which is correct, but as in all Masonic symbols there is layer upon layer, The meaning which I have given you is a Co-masonic understanding so yes those tassels remind us of those virtues, and they also represent the Devas whom play a very important part in Co-masonic ritual - In no way would I ever try and recruit you or Taylorman, but it is a shame that you both may never see a well performed Co-Masonic initiation it is one of my favourite ceremonies and the way that Annie Besant has written the Elements into it makes a truely wonderful and meaningful moment in ones life. I am not comfortable talking more in the forum about it which is a bit silly I guess. If you ever manage to get hold of a book called "The Hidden Life in Freemasonry" by C. W. Leadbetter 33 Degree you would find it a fascinating read
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Post by hollandr on Jan 8, 2005 4:10:26 GMT
My interest in the tassels is not about finding what they represent but finding what they are.
After all what sort of pavement needs tassels? Tassels belong to carpets where they are a knotted termination of the threads of the carpet. Is this a hint?
In my experience energy lines run from east to west over the white tiles and under the black. Energy runs from north to south under the white tiles and over the black. Just like the threads of a carpet. (Can anyone confirm those observations? The lodge need not be open to observe this.) But that would put the tassels along the sides not at the corners so we are not there yet.
Now as some may know, if you place an electric charge on a body it gathers at the sharpest point and if there is enough charge will radiate from that point. As above so below. This applies to all shapes and many energies.
For example in the lodge room it is natural for the energy to enter through the mid points of the walls (where the senior officers are placed - hopefully) and radiate (generally) through the corners. Hence if the pavement is properly constructed - length twice width and the lodge room the same - the tassels on the pavement show undulating energy flowing out the corners of the lodge room. (This must give a clue to one of the functions of a lodge)
Now I have on occasion seen other pavement arrangement - in books. Some will have seen the traditional HRA semicircular pavement in the east - a residue left to us after the jewish custodians hammered the circle of the zodiac into the straight lines of the Tree of Life.
Also I have seen diagonal pavements for some craft lodges - only in illustration. I would dearly like to visit such a lodge to determine the energy flows and more importantly, whether such lodges are actually (rather than nominally) dedicated to TGAOTU.
On the four devas representing the law of karma - that is a proper observation but perhaps artificially attached to the pavement explanation for want of somewhere better. The Lords of Karma are those whose bodies are the substance of the planes. Thus the Recording Angel of the Book of Revelation does not use a book but rather our deeds are recorded in its body. The Lords of Karma thereby are the lords of Jacobs Ladder.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by staffs on Jan 25, 2005 21:52:29 GMT
A science and an art of comprising a system of concepts and methods for the build-up of human emotion, altering the electro-chemical balance of the metabolism, using associational techniques and devices to concentrate and focus this energy, thus modulating the energy broadcast by the human body, usually to affect other energy patterns, whether animate or inanimate, but occasionally, to the affect the personal energy patterns."
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Post by ruffashlar on Jan 26, 2005 0:12:35 GMT
" A science and an art of comprising a system of concepts and methods for the build-up of human emotion" Isn't that called TV?
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Post by sid on Jun 11, 2005 2:03:11 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this post.
Although I am not a Mason, I have experienced the energy in/of/from some of your Temples. Here in Germany some of the Masonic Lodges are used by the members of AMORC (rented use) of either the actual Lodge (Temple) or a room in the same building, and although seldom, I have even become aware of the working in the local lodge, while sitting at home in my flat. They must have been doing some special work that evening.
Last year I visited some friends of mine (CR+C etc.) and they also have the use of a room at one of the local Lodges (not your actual Temple). While we were getting everything set up and getting prepared for our meeting I was waiting outside with everyone else and outside of the entrance of your Temple. As we were waiting for some members to arrive and as all the seats & benches in the hallway were all full, I just sat down on the chair outside and next to the Temple door of your Temple, I immediately felt a surge of energy and especially a swirling circular sensation just above the head. Due to the size and the weight of the chair (wooden) it would have been a permanent fixture for the outer Guardian & not be something that one would move back into your Temple.
I also have a CD of Masonic music for use when I feel like getting attuned to the work/egregore of Masonry.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 11, 2005 4:06:31 GMT
Sid
Good observations and it must be a good lodge. Most do not have very focussed energies.
I suggest as an hypothesis to be tested that your swirling motion involved some temple beings checking you out. If you return to that lodge you might like to see if you can make conscious contact.
The work of Masonry is a bit complex as several inner agendas use Masonry as an outer form.
Here is an experiment: see if you can observe a pale blue energy stream coming from above and anchoring in Masonic lodges.
Most have a rather weak stream. You can tell from the stream how good the lodge is.
If you see a good one then you might consider joining to assist the brethren in the greater work.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by sid on Jun 12, 2005 21:48:14 GMT
Hi Russel, Sid Good observations and it must be a good lodge. Most do not have very focussed energies. I suggest as an hypothesis to be tested that your swirling motion involved some temple beings checking you out. If you return to that lodge you might like to see if you can make conscious contact. The work of Masonry is a bit complex as several inner agendas use Masonry as an outer form. Here is an experiment: see if you can observe a pale blue energy stream coming from above and anchoring in Masonic lodges. Most have a rather weak stream. You can tell from the stream how good the lodge is. If you see a good one then you might consider joining to assist the brethren in the greater work. Cheers Russell The example above regarding the chair was at a small Lodge in Pittsburgh, PA., USA. I have always looked upon the blue light as having to do with fire, and although I have moved it around the Temple/Lodge etc., I find it a little frustrating because I have as yet not been able to actually see it (not a problem). I have always regarded the swirling sensation above the head with 'attunement' and the first time that I actually experienced it outside a ritual environment was many years ago when I was having an early morning breakfast (with some work mates) at one of those stand up sandwich bars for coffee and bread rolls here in Germany. We were joined by a young lady (a stranger), and I immediately experienced the whirling sensation above the head. We started a conversation and she told me that she had just found out that she was pregnant. I have since associated this with an exchange of energy i.e., a giving and a receiving of energy through attunement in some way. I do not have enough experience in these things to know if this is just a mental or a spiritual 'contact' or even astral. I do agree with you regarding the use of the heart when using these energies & the importance of hearing, seeing & feeling with/from the heart. You certainly have helped me get a better & closer understanding of these things. Thanks. I shall try your experiment (a bit modified perhaps) the next time I feel like getting attuned with Masonry in general, I understand the local Lodge meets on Monday evenings. I'll let you know if I receive any impressions. Interesting thread. (Not sure about "temple beings" though)
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Post by giovanni on Jun 13, 2005 9:10:02 GMT
Do you do the Union's chain?
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Post by ingo on Jun 13, 2005 13:54:27 GMT
in co-masonic lodges there are male and female energies....
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Post by maat on Jun 16, 2005 7:01:28 GMT
I was very interested to read all your comments on the Energy in the Temple. When I was initiated I received what I can only describe as a minor electrical shock....my finger tips flinched. Gave me quite a shock and something to really think about.
As I understand it - the earths molten core radiates a powerful energy field which, when we stand as Masons are instructed to do, has a powerful effect upon the individual. The seven bodies of man (one hint to what the officers may represent-and the seven strands in the cable tow) come into complete alignment and operate as they should. The effect of this field could be the reason why we have to lay down to sleep (cut off the power) and why sick people are encouraged to sit rather that lie in a bed (connecting the power). With this in mind one can see another reason of why the Candidate for Initiation is presented the way he is.
Two other personal observations. When a Jnr Deacon I was totally amazed to see a flash of pale blue light at the exact point of closing. I have seen it ever since and it is now 10+ years later. In the Leadbeater book mentioned above - he does say that the Work that we do as Masons is transmuting higher energies into usable energy and that this energy is finally dispersed to the community at the point of closing. Church "services" do the same thing. Masonic Work/Church Service!
At a more mundane level - we have noticed that coughs and colds etc can clear up in an evening and that any flowers in the Temple will last up to three or four weeks instead of the usual one.
Better that a Health centre really - and a whole lot cheaper.
Cheers Maat
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Post by a on Jun 16, 2005 7:26:19 GMT
Thought.
If you accept that a well working lodge can pass illuminating energies into the community for everyones benefit, then surely....
A lodge that acesses such energies, though does not perhaps understand or recognise them, could perhaps inadvertently pass darker energies into the community? With sufficient numbers of such lodges Freemasonry could become a real source of darkness in our world.
Would be terible if that were to happen, as many of those lodges concerned could well be unaware of what they are doing. Hence their members would have difficulty believing it, and hence a solutuion would be difficult.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 16, 2005 23:20:39 GMT
Stewart
It is well to be alert to dark energies. I have entered many so-called christian churches particularly in France that were dark.
The process of tiling and opening a lodge especially if done on the inner as well as the outer, is a pretty good protection.
Part of the roles of the outer and inner guards is to keep off astral intruders but not many have been instructed in this.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by maat on Jun 16, 2005 23:38:50 GMT
A very good thought..
....And a very good reason why we must be vigilant assessing possible new members. Not only for our own sake but for theirs as well. The Energy will amplify all we bring to it....the bad as well as the good! Fortunately in most people the good outweighs the bad so the results are positive. But you can imagine someone who may be borderline ... we would be doing a disservice to that person should we allow him to be challenged beyond his strength.
... It also a very good reason as to why Brn who are at odds with each other should refrain from entering the temple.
HOWEVER - there are some safeguards.
...most members have not developed their Will, Wisdom and Intellect to the point where they would be effective enough to be 'dangerous'. Added to that - an individual 'darkness' would be cancelled out by the collective 'light' of the other Brn.
...the four tassels and the indented border around the pavement perhaps indicate that there is a guardian wall of 'elder Brn' that perform a protective shield around men of good will.
It has been my observation in my own Lodge that should we err in our choice of candidate the Energy seems to sort it out very quickly .... the incompatibility on energies sees them leave.
Yes - I agree that Freemasonry could be used quite effectively as a bringer of darkness to the world - as could any religious or benevolent institution. If you enjoy darkness you will want to turn off the light, whereever it shines. This is why we should all be cautious.
End note: I am cheerfully confident that the Joy and Light of Freemasonry will prevail. SMIB.
Maat
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Post by ruffashlar on Jun 16, 2005 23:48:41 GMT
The four tassels indicate the decorative corners which are given weighted ends to help flick the carpet flat as it is unrolled and the indented border around the pavement is where the end-threads are tied up to prevent fraying.
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Post by hollandr on Jun 17, 2005 1:52:04 GMT
Maat
>...most members have not developed their Will, Wisdom and Intellect to the point where they would be effective enough to be 'dangerous'.
Well that is true.
But increasingly I see people who are being interfered with by dark entities sometimes with patterns going back millennia. In mild cases this results in occasional out-of-character behaviour when the entity exerts its influence.
With higher level dark entities the objective is not to find a host to live in but rather to disable light workers over many lifetimes. This may produce deep depression in the light workers who find themselves trapped in cycles of ineffective incarnations.
Repeated calls for rescue can be effective.
Cheers
Russell
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Post by staffs on Jun 17, 2005 6:19:05 GMT
Maat wrote : It has been my observation in my own Lodge that should we err in our choice of candidate the Energy seems to sort it out very quickly .... the incompatibility on energies sees them leave.
It is quite strange how some brethren join and disappear just as quickly saying it is not for them.Maybe these forces have something to do with this and they do not feel comfortable in the temple whereas for some it appears to be home from home and you can just see how comfortable they are.
I appear to be having one of my "Psychic" periods at the moment and a few happenings have occurred in the last few days.
Maybe its just "my time of the month" ;D ;D ;D
Can anyone explain this ?
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Post by a on Jun 17, 2005 6:32:55 GMT
Maybe its just "my time of the month" ;D ;D ;D Can anyone explain this ? Maybe it is. Maybe you would benefit from joining esoteric societies to help you realise that you can answer this question yourself. If it wasn't for a recent post I would be saying M, get this lad in now!!!
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