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Post by sammy on Mar 11, 2010 21:35:51 GMT
i don't discount the possibility of reincarnation either. I think if it is so we would currently be at basicly half capacity for our thought and not being able to remember the other side unless in the body able to access that amount of thought (being yourself throughout time and space). our current brain would basicly be a dampener for our raw thought.
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Post by corab on Mar 12, 2010 0:28:02 GMT
No. But then again I don't have to. It's a sacred knowing, and I couldn't care less about all the scripture anyone cares to throw at me, all the obvious doctoring and hidden agendas and mind control that man has written into them.
Scripture, from whatever religion, means no more to me than the paper its printed on. My 'proof' is within me; in my heart; in every particle of my being.
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Post by lauderdale on Mar 12, 2010 5:40:23 GMT
Can anyone prove that God doesn't exist?
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Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 6:06:23 GMT
HAHA very good point lauder and i think trying to do so would prove to be much more difficult.
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 12, 2010 6:17:06 GMT
Again, without a clear definition of what is meant by the word 'God' it is nearly impossible to create an argument either way, and with certain definitions, God can be proven or disproven. Say, I were to say the sun is God. I could easily get practically every rational human to agree the sun exists. Now, to convince them to call it God, or agree to my definition, is a different matter The point remains that if the sun is God, then God unquestionably exists.
There is also compelling reasons to apply the term God to the sun, though I am not advocating that. Only pointing out that to say God does or doesn't exist, you need to define exactly what it is that does or does not exist. Without a definition of the subject, the argument is entirely incoherent.
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Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 7:10:50 GMT
KNOs it seem's like you like to make peoples head hurt about as much as i do
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Post by maximus on Mar 12, 2010 14:40:07 GMT
Can anyone prove that God doesn't exist? Logical fallacy. It is impossible to prove a negative.
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Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 15:19:56 GMT
that's an interesting site. i think ill read about the flying spaghetti monster next hehe
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Post by sammy on Mar 12, 2010 15:22:57 GMT
HAHA wow it really is... a flying spaghetti monster. he is a local artist too. do we have too much free time in the NW? i know my lay off gave me alot.
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 12, 2010 15:26:26 GMT
J'adore les Spaghetti Volant Monstre, et la licorne rose. ;D
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Post by sid on Mar 12, 2010 18:31:42 GMT
Greetings Cora et al, No. But then again I don't have to. It's a sacred knowing, and I couldn't care less about all the scripture anyone cares to throw at me, all the obvious doctoring and hidden agendas and mind control that man has written into them. Scripture, from whatever religion, means no more to me than the paper its printed on. My 'proof' is within me; in my heart; in every particle of my being. Greetings et al, Mark 14 (New International Version) Before the Sanhedrin 53They took Jesus to the high priest, and all the chief priests, elders and teachers of the law came together. 54Peter followed him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest. There he sat with the guards and warmed himself at the fire. 55The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, but they did not find any. 56Many testified falsely against him, but their statements did not agree. 57Then some stood up and gave this false testimony against him: 58"We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.' " 59Yet even then their testimony did not agree. 60Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" 61But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ,[f] the Son of the Blessed One?" 62"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." 63The high priest tore his clothes. "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked. 64"You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?" They all condemned him as worthy of death. 65Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him. ----------------------- Just depends if you believe these things happened, if you do there has been plenty of cross examination, much with deadly results. I would say yes, but I would have to ask you to wake up, open your eyes and your heart, I would then have to operate upon you and cut a small square in your chest and place a small window in it with a handle within and without so that you can open it both ways If I look at a tree then I have already touched it, and if I get a response then I have been touched by it. Everything manifests according to the law of the triangle and when it 'moves' then we have been touched by it. When next you are in Lodge look for and at something that means a lot to you in ritual. Once you have been touched by both that which is within and without, then give it back or project it up or to the centre. Once while in England I walked into the garden on a beautiful morning. At the same time a young woman who was expecting also walked into the garden and along the path. We both met at the end of the garden and as she turned to me the sun had just risen in the east just behind her. In a split second when I looked at her I realised her beauty as a mother and experienced both her and her baby. It was a split second of osmosis. Difficult to describe because I actually lived the experience. I also knew that she was expecting a baby boy. I did not know her personally, because I was staying with a friend. The purpose of mysticism is to have a personal experience of God. You can then reflect ALL that you have experienced for others to see, feel, and experience etc.
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Post by keith on Mar 13, 2010 7:33:39 GMT
THere is order in the Universe. THat order must have a source. Whatever that source may be can only be what we term the Supreme Being.
Forget the idea of an old man with a long beard, wearing a ropbe and sitting on an uncomfortable chair. THe Supreme Being can have no gender, is incomprehensible to us, could be an equation or a formula perhaps? Or something else!
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 13, 2010 8:04:17 GMT
Yes, I wonder how many people nowadays have the image of an old man with a beard. A consciousness and an awareness of self for the universe would quite be adequate for deity as long as we did not stop there in our wanderings and wonderings. I found the book, Out of the Labyrith, fairly compelling. Not necessarily convincing from a logic or science standpoint, but the author makes a valiant attempt at reconciling matters. The search is always worthwhile.
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Post by corab on Mar 13, 2010 10:39:59 GMT
Greetings Cora et al, The purpose of mysticism is to have a personal experience of God. You can then reflect ALL that you have experienced for others to see, feel, and experience etc. Hi Sid, That, to my wonderment and absolute unexpected surprise, is exactly what I have encountered in a 'little' thing called the HRA. 'Nuff said ;D Namaste, Cora
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Post by sid on Mar 13, 2010 11:39:10 GMT
Hi Cora, Greetings Cora et al, The purpose of mysticism is to have a personal experience of God. You can then reflect ALL that you have experienced for others to see, feel, and experience etc. Hi Sid, That, to my wonderment and absolute unexpected surprise, is exactly what I have encountered in a 'little' thing called the HRA. 'Nuff said ;D Namaste, Cora Have not had my coffee yet, HRA is = ?
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Post by maximus on Mar 13, 2010 14:00:33 GMT
Hi Cora, Hi Sid, That, to my wonderment and absolute unexpected surprise, is exactly what I have encountered in a 'little' thing called the HRA. 'Nuff said ;D Namaste, Cora Have not had my coffee yet, HRA is = ? Holy Royal Arch.
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Post by sid on Mar 13, 2010 14:33:30 GMT
Hi Cora, Have not had my coffee yet, HRA is = ? Holy Royal Arch. Thanks Maximus.
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Post by sammy on Mar 13, 2010 17:48:21 GMT
i have also had thoughts about the old man and beard apearing in many imaginations. i think maybe if it was a being like god or maybe wisdom of age being a good balance, the end of the hair would be the beggining of our time, and where its closest to the skin or pore would be present time and still growing. and yes it is compelling hehe
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Post by KNOs1s on Mar 13, 2010 17:55:23 GMT
I think the anthropomorphication of deity is fine, if it is taken as a metaphor rather than a literal fact. That really is a large part of the issue with God, is that people want to continually separate themselves, when in fact, they cannot. We are all a point in a sphere with no center, circumference, or shape.
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Post by sammy on Mar 13, 2010 18:15:00 GMT
a shape that never stops moving is no shape but a mass. i like that knos
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