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Post by bod on Aug 9, 2007 14:11:16 GMT
Does sound like we are broadly in agreement brother, and I may well have been a bit strong in my choice of words, the situation as it exists isn't ideal. It would be great if there could be more co-operation, and if there could be some form of compromise found. Personally I dont see it as a matter of coming into the 21st century, after all, women can become masons in the organisation that they find most suits their needs, whether it is OWF, HFAF or one of the co-masonic constituents. I do feel that we would be causing irrevocable harm to the fraternity as a whole if we take the line that the single sex fraternities MUST open up to the opposite sex, mainly because of the number of people who are happy with the status quo, and would be very unhappy about being forced to accept women in the lodge room that they attend. More co-operation I would say yes to, wholesale forced adoption of co-masonry for all GL's would not be good.
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Post by bod on Aug 9, 2007 10:47:08 GMT
An excellent response Bro Karen! And I find myself in agreement with it all, I would love to visit a co-masonic lodge to experience the differences, and you are right, we are poorer for the restrictions. Bro brandt, yes, I can think the rules aren't right, but I still have to comply with them, what honour do I have if I don't?
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Post by bod on Aug 8, 2007 17:27:54 GMT
All organisations have rules, it is implicit in your requesting of membership that you will abide by those rules. If one finds those rules offensive or so odious that you cannot live with them, then removing yourself from those restrictions is surely the only way open to your conscience?
Here is a question I have yet to have answered, and I apologise for singling out an individual, Bro Lauderdale is now a co-mason, as such he is no longer welcome in a UGLE lodge as a masonic visitor because of the rules laid out by UGLE, not his GL. Does his GL permit him to visit GLFMW lodges? Or RGLE lodges? Genuine question. Do any of you know the answer? Brandt, are you in male-craft freemasonry or one of the other GL's? What rules does your GL proscribe in respect of visiting lodges belonging to other jurisdictions?
I perhaps would feel less bitter about this subject and with the depressing frequency it comes up if the discussion was more even handed than it has been in the past, after all, male craft GL's arent the only ones to impose inter-visitation regulations, are they?
Lets remember that tolerance and understanding thing that gets mentioned in our ritual once or twice.....
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Post by bod on Aug 23, 2007 17:02:50 GMT
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Post by bod on Aug 23, 2007 16:03:52 GMT
Mrs Bod is a carrot muncher too, however the thing she misses the most is a nice juicy rare steak.....
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Post by bod on Aug 23, 2007 10:38:34 GMT
Biggots and fanatics who refuse to pay respect to another's view point are always a pain. Doesn't matter what they are pro or anti they're refusal to agree to disagree irritates in the extreme
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Post by bod on Mar 29, 2007 21:52:55 GMT
Hi Ziggy - glad we got the confusion cleared up - it is possible your aquaintance was sounding you out about joining, but as others have said, until you fill out the form then nothing is official.
Hope you come to the decision that is right for you, please feel free to ask as many questions as you want here, if we can't answer we will tell you straight, but there isn't that much we have promised to keep secret - so ask away!
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Post by bod on Jul 25, 2005 21:58:38 GMT
Indeed it can be - for those that let it.
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Post by bod on Jun 7, 2005 22:20:08 GMT
Nice one - I had seen it before and it unfortunately doesn't have all the options but it certainly covers the main ones.
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Post by bod on May 24, 2005 15:48:28 GMT
Hmm, of sorts - but it also raised conflicts that left me far from peaceful Not conflicts with any of my moral or social obligations, more inner conflicts about how I should react or respond to situations.
I.e. - resisting the urge to verbally 'chew' someone out for asking stoopid questions for the billionth time....
Still no-one said being a mason was easy! ;D
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Post by bod on Apr 6, 2006 22:40:47 GMT
So is this a good opportunity for a forum get together in Scotland?
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Post by bod on Dec 18, 2005 23:54:05 GMT
What happened next?
Did it all go ahead?
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Post by bod on Jan 22, 2005 11:47:20 GMT
Well done MrMason- we knew you were the right man for the job!
Will - you are in good hands - look forward to calling you brother.
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Post by bod on Apr 26, 2006 1:10:05 GMT
Well sprogg, how was it?
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Post by bod on Jun 17, 2005 17:10:14 GMT
A mind works best when it's open - like a parachute... Interpret everything you see, read and hear with it, your own way and in your own time.
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Post by bod on Jun 8, 2007 7:14:37 GMT
I like his work - sometimes its difficult to get into but 'love in the time of cholera' was excellent, and also has a couple of passing ref's to masonry IIRC
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Post by bod on Jun 8, 2007 7:15:19 GMT
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Post by bod on Jul 1, 2005 7:23:29 GMT
Stewart
In all the time I have had the misfortune to read your posts you have never sunk as low as you have at this point. You chose to interpret the posting I made as directed towards you - incredibly narcisistic - not to mention wrong. You have frequently used every possible form of evasion and equivocation when asked by me and others to qunatify and qualify the information you supposedly have, but each time you refuse and retreat behind a self protecting wall from which you lean over the parapet long enough to snipe - but not long enough to engage. My motiviation is in getting a short sighted individual to remove the blinkers of prejudice that colour his world and accept that others viewpoints are equally valid, something you continually refuse to do. I have not bullied you once - yet again you are twisting words to suit your agenda, and it is sad to see that you feel it necessary to descend to such levels to reinforce your arguments.
I am dissapointed Stewart, but not entirely surprised.
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Post by bod on Jul 1, 2005 7:06:27 GMT
Stewart - stop being so sensitive - I did not accuse you of attempting to score cheap points, please accept that you are not the centre of the universe and move on. Can you give me a true and accurate figure of how many separate incidents you have had related to you first hand by those on the receiving end? I would love to know - and please exclude any second hand relaying of stories - I want first hand accounts, and how many.
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Post by bod on Jul 1, 2005 6:24:13 GMT
Er, actually Steve, it was completely ambiguous as to which group you were referring to - but thanks for the clarification.
Stewart, I hope it has become a lot clearer to you through this thread that the incidents that you have highlighted are very few and far between, and should not be exagerated in the hope of scoring cheap points - the social clubbers don't spoil freemasonry for anyone - they get what they want out of it and put a lot back in. It's the sociopaths and those that presume to place themselves in a position of superiority, whether real or imagined, and spout off on their own beliefs and views in a dogmatic and hectoring manner that spoil it, and they need to do a lot of 'internal work'.
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